to think they should charge the Syria girls

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If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

Syrian's dont want 'em! Isis us a stateless terrorist cancer that infests unstable areas. They don't belong anywhere. (Except a way ticket to mars maybe)

I think it's the fact that they're girls that seems to make the difference here. I'm quite sure that if they were boys the response here would be vastly different. In fact on a thread recently about john venibles there were plenty of people prepared to condemn eleven year olds (who really aren't adults) to a life of permanent incarsoration.

These girls knew what they were doing. Whether they've gone over on the promise of a husband or the promise of a life of violence in the name of islam who knows. But anyone who gets on board with the likes of IS deserves all they get. Don't want to become a victim? well then don't fraternise with terrorists.

If the sixteen year old wanted a boyfriend here we would be told she was old enough to consent and who she had sex with was nobody's business. But because she's going over to join terrorists suddenly she's a victim? I don't think so.

In fact with that attitude how do we define who is groomed victim and who is lowlife terrorist?

If its bleeding heart to not advocate stringing up kids, then count me in. And count MNHQ in as well, see their post on this thread.

And no, same response for boys. Pretty sure yours would be different if they were white english and not muslim.

On the plus side this has been a handy thread to see how many posters have facistic tendencies. A depressing amount.

Groomed and brainwashed are just nice little words mumsnet uses because they are girls. when really the correct word is 'radicalised'. But that's too strong for the weak, easily offended pearl clutchers..

Ha ha.... Stringing up kids?? But it's only YOU that's saying that!

I remember reading an article about concentration camp guards in ww2.

Most notable were the female ones, who were seen as the most brutal, sadistic and inhumane ones going. I wonder if this is because a) we feel that women should be fluffy, nurturing types so appear more vicious, or b) women, if switched on, can be the most vicious of the sexes.

Newspapers have reported thay the British jihadi groupies are being used in positions of control/power because they are so vicious and violent.

countess these 'kids' will be partaking in the crucification and burying alive of actual kids....you know ones that are aged from 0 to 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.... years old. Oh and also encouraging their rape and sexual abuse, seeing as IS have declared that it is permissible to do so.

And no my response wouldn't be any different if they were white and non-muslim. Perhaps its my muslim background that makes me such a cold hearted bitch, but I can tell you that the average muslim would have no compunction about doing to them exactly what they will be doing to others out there.

Another thread.. another excuse and hug a terrorist, just because they happen to be muslim.

but I can tell you that the average muslim would have no compunction about doing to them exactly what they will be doing to others out there.

Speak for yourself because you're not speaking for me or mine, or any of the people Ive lived with and loved for a lifetime.

Ok I will speak for myself.

There are a fair few others though who do think the same though:

Jordan: immediately executed some long held terrorists and have run 60 odd airstrikes against IS since they burnt to death one of their citizens Within a few hours, Sajida al-Rishawi and Ziad al-Karbouli, another Iraqi convicted on terrorism charges, had been executed by the state

Egypt: response to the Coptic Christian massacre - immediate airstrikes resulting in the death of 60 or so terrorists Egypt bombs Islamic State targets in Libya after 21 Egyptians beheaded

Pakistan: re-instated the death penalty and executed terrorists in response to the Lahore school bombing and have stepped up military strikes. Some very prominent terrorist leaders killed in the last few weeks alone. Pakistan Executes Two Terrorists After Lifting Moratorium on Death Penalty

Generally speaking muslim revenge is fast and furious when its their own being targeted. You won't get many bleating about the terrorist being a victim.

First you said the average Muslim and then you post regarding state sanctioned retaliation.

There's a very big difference between the two.

What a depressing thread.

whether they were white or not makes no difference, I have little sympathy for white Brits who travel to indonesia and the like to smuggle drugs and then cry innocent when they're sentenced to death for being caught. but the difference there is obviously that they don't go there with the romanticised ideal of beheading other innocent people in the name of their cause.

It's ridiculous to suggest that this is somehow a race issue, it is unfortunate in this instance that the majority of radicalised muslims do represent a race that is not our own, but it doesn't make it a race issue.

These girls have obviously not grown up in an oppressive muslim lifestyle, they were all free to come and go as they pleased, one even said she was going off to a wedding, and none of her family saught to question that? at fifteen? Can you imagine the general ibu post "ibu, my dd who is fifteen has said she's going to a wedding, we don't know where or whose wedding, ibu to let her go anyway?"

What on earth is facist about being strongly against people who join proscribed terrorist groups?

Just saw the families of the girls on the news. You'd need a heart of stone not to feel immensely sorry for them. They are distraught.

I can't imagine how as a parent you come to terms with your child becoming a part of something so abhorrent. For me I think it would be a dealbreaker tbh. I can't imagine I could ever forgive my child for joining any kind of organisation which prided itself on the torture and murder of others.

A question puzzles me. When did it become Muslim to disobey your parents and run off to another country?

I though it Muslim values tended to be something more like the opposite.

What these girls have done is embarked on the ultimate teenage rebellion. A very Western thing to do actually, albeit they've dressed it up with a bit of kohl.

To be honest toadinthehole I think this goes a bit beyond teenage rebellion - ultimate or otherwise.

SlaggyIsland: "Just saw the families of the girls on the news. You'd need a heart of stone not to feel immensely sorry for them. They are distraught."

Apparently showing signs of kindness, consideration and empathy makes you a "weak, easily offended pearl clutcher", Slaggy.

I'd rather live in your world than that of some of the smug, judgemental, spiteful and vindictive people posting on this thread, though.

Finally RTFT. I personally believe these girls are mere steps from being lost to us now. Whether they went completely of their own violition, or they were radicalised and seduced into thinking they were doing 'right', it is almost a certainty that they will not get to be living a 'greener on the other side' life.

However, with the media whirlwind that is covering their families and their believed intentions, I wouldn't be surprised if they are treated like royalty. Or seemingly so, to be portrayed as 'right' in their beliefs, with the end goal of their actions and the media coverage turning into a clever propaganda campaign that could result in them recruiting masses. If ISIS persuaded the girls to sympathise with their cause by grooming them with false evidence, promises of rich husbands, power etc then wouldn't it be plausible that they will use these girls to portray more 'proof' that it is indeed what they were promised. Gaining more sympathy, more followers, more support.

I don't hold sympathy for the girls or their intents, either way, they are not 10 year olds, they are reaching maturity and should be held accountable. Else where do we draw a line? Do they magically become perfectly all knowing at 18? It might be a blurry few years for development, but they aren't kids as I view kids. And they are not just being whimsically naive and silly, their actions do not compare to stealing a lippy from Boots, or even stealing a car.

To those who argue that they may be on holiday in Turkey, why did they not tell their parents, and where did they get the money to fund it? Why would one of them be travelling in a stolen passport? Also, I don't believe that they have lived muted and supressed lives in their community, and under strict segregatory supervison by their parents. They have social media accounts, and each of them managed a plausible excuse to not be at home. Hardly an easy job if your parents are that controlling.

I hope that they are reached before they tread ISIS soil because their lives will effectually be over. How they should be handled afterwards, I won't profess to know the best solution. (Unfortunately, as much as I can hope I think it is futile)

The issue we now have as a country is how to prevent further incidents like this. Air travel restrictions on under 18s could be a start, but many will argue it is more nanny state policy. And if we attempt to monitor, more broadly, the lives of those in seemingly higher risk categories, namely those in high density Muslim communities, then we will be considered racist (or whatever the term would be that discriminates against faith).

Just want to add, to those who mention that in the grand scheme of things, very few people have actually been radocalised and flown off to join ISIS. It doesn't matter how proportionally small the number is. If a newly launched medication administered to a million people, only seriously harmed or killed less than 50, do you think it would continue to be used, or do you think that it would be investigated to find out how to prevent it occurring?

We as a country have a lot of experience in dealing with terrorism - some successes and some failures. I would have thought we'd have learned by now that stringing up children will make the danger to us all worse, not better.

Met police have arrived in Turkey now

Those excusing these girls saying 'oh it's probably just a holiday' well no, not looking that way now. It's costing money chasing after these silly silly girls.

I hope they do get them before they leave Turkey, but they can't just be returned to their parents as if nothing has happened. They have to be properly investigated by the authorities.
I was reading on an exmuslim forum ,one young woman said she felt she could have gone down that route herself. Ultimately she went the other way and became an atheist after a lot of 'soulsearching'.
It is possible for people to turn their lives around, if they want to of course.

I'm afraid any shred of sympathy I had for these girls dissolved when I heard on the radio this morning that at least one of them has been following jihadi websites which showed beheadings and other killings. Until now I had been thinking/hoping that they didn't understand what they were getting into.
If this report is correct then it seems that they knew perfectly well.

Still children! Whatever they've been watching.

And if they have been groomed to see non-Muslims as less than human, which is what extremism promotes, then they need deprogramming to be able to see others as people too.

Nobody is saying do nothing, bring 'em, back, give them a cupcake and say nothing. I am advocating a more nuanced, non-string-em-up approach, not only for the sake of these particular teenagers, but in order to keep us all safer.

26.2, you clearly haven't RTFT.