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To wonder why London gets such a bad press?

143 replies

Campaspe · 20/02/2015 19:14

I've seen a few threads on MN about moving house and living in or moving away from London. The general gist of them seems to be that London is awful, unfriendly and overpriced, whilst living up north is mostly cheap, friendly and just, well, better.

I'm not sure that's actually always the case. Disclaimer: I don't live anywhere near London, or come from there (and I promise I'm not shagging Boris too!). I love to visit it however, and I don't think there's another city anywhere in the UK that can hold a candle to it in terms of cultural offerings, history, excitement or attractions, even though I love most of the big cities of the UK. I do accept that being a capital city means that it is expensive and has lots of the social problems that beset all major conurbations.

It seems to me that in the end, it boils down to personal preference, but I don't really like the fashionable anti-city, anti-London pose that so many people like, particularly when it comes to a debate about north versus south. (It's like that other knee-jerk, ignorant anti-American prejudice that such people often spout). I find it puzzling that people denigrate the amount of money spent in London when it raises much of the capital that goes into projects over the rest of the country. And when I've seen worse poverty in London than anywhere else in the UK - and it somehow seems worse when there are very affluent areas just a short mile away.

So, why aren't people proud to have as a capital such a vibrant, diverse city such as London?

OP posts:
HesterShaw · 22/02/2015 21:11

FGS are there really people who think that not living in London = "living in the cahntry darling"? Sounds like a Rosamunde Pilcher novel.

Mrsstarlord · 22/02/2015 21:15

Tomatoandizzymum

What a sensible post, what are you doing on mumsnet? Grin

Mintyy · 22/02/2015 21:15

"FGS are there really people who think that not living in London = "living in the cahntry darling"? Sounds like a Rosamunde Pilcher novel."

Well are there? Are there any on this thread?

Mintyy · 22/02/2015 21:27

River Thames
Houses of Parliament
Big Ben
Horseguards Parade
Buckingham Palace
Kensington Palace
The Tower of London
Greenwich Observatory
Cutty Sark
The O2
The Olympic Park
10 Downing Street
St Paul's Cathedral
Trafalgar Square
Nelsons Column
National Gallery
National Portrait Gallery
Tate Gallery
Tate Modern
British Museum
Natural History Museum
Science Museum
Museum of London
V & A
Oxford Street
Pall Mall
Saville Row
Regent Street
Piccadilly
All the other streets on the Monopoly Board
Hyde Park
Regents Park
The Zoo in Regents Park
Green Park
St James's Park
Covent Garden
The Albert Hall
The Royal Opera House
Shaftesbury Avenue and its 30+ theatres
China Town
Harrods
Selfridges
Liberty
Fortnum & Mason
Harvey Nicks
Hamleys
Shakespeare's Globe
The Shard
The Millennium Bridge
New Covent Garden Market
Billingsgate
Smithfield
Spitalfields

All in one city and all within a few miles of each other. There is nowhere else to compare.

Of course living in a big city is not everyone's cup of tea. Of course most people prefer to live in smaller cities/villages or the countryside.

But to be a bit "meh" about London is just daft.

thatsucks · 22/02/2015 21:31

Umm I don't think that any of us that live in London think anyone else should or would care if we do or don't or anyone does or doesn't...was a discussion really this thread wasn't it?

HesterShaw · 22/02/2015 21:36

Yes those things are all great to visit. Not sure anyone is disputing that.

Mrsstarlord · 22/02/2015 21:42

Why daft? Most of those things don't appeal to me at all, certainly not enough to want to put up with big city living for longer than 48 hours.
Tomatoandizzymum has it spot on

Mintyy · 22/02/2015 21:58

Hester
There have been plenty of posts on the thread from people who just don't reckon London is all that. See the post immediately after yours.

You'd never catch me saying anything so crass as "so what if we have the Scottish Highlands/Snowdonia/Cornwall in our country, I don't see the appeal therefore they are unimportant".

tomandizzymum · 22/02/2015 22:07

Mintyy, people are interested in the sights when they visit the sights, because that's what they want to do. But if they are not into museums and galleries then why bother, right? I know plenty of people in London that couldn't give a shit about Snowdonia Cornwall or the Highlands. They will never go past the M25, they are frightened of cows and the countryside and they like it that way.

MrsStarlord, I am officially changing my name to TomatoandDizzymum, better than Tom and Izzy mum anyway Wink

tomandizzymum · 22/02/2015 22:10

having said that I know a lot of people in London that made any excuse under the sun when I suggested visiting museums too!

Mrsstarlord · 22/02/2015 22:29

Lol! Took me ages to realise that it wasn't dizzy mum and I missed the Tom!!!! D'oh!

AlecTrevelyan006 · 22/02/2015 23:02

there's good and bad everywhere

I left London 15 years ago and have no regrets. I now live in a small market town, a two minute walk away from a bus stop, convenience store and a pub. Small high street is 10 minutes away. Kids' schools are a 15 minute walk away. I'm 1mile from a mainline train station and 2 miles away from a motorway junction. Within an hour I can be in the centre of five different cities.

Most south Londoners would rather go for a night out in Brighton than cross the river. North Londoners look down on everyone else. People from east London and people from west London don't even know that each other exist. London is really just a sprawling mass of towns that are too close together.

If people are happy living in London, that's great but every time I visit London even though I enjoy I can't wait to get away again.

Missjolly · 22/02/2015 23:14

Yes there are good and bad everywhere and as tomandizzymum says, different strokes for different strokes.

I was born and raised in London. As were my parents, Grandparents, great grandparents ( you get my drift!)

I loved it as a child. Now I absolutely loathe it. I am extremely thankful that I moved the hell away from it 8 years ago. Best thing I ever did.

My entire family , as do a lot of my friends , feel the same and many have upped sticks and left it too.

Just the way we all feel and each to their own, as they say.

Bunbaker · 22/02/2015 23:23

"I moved up north from london a long time ago. i lasted 6 months and came back. i hated it."

I moved up north from London 35 years ago and love it. I don't mind visiting London as a tourist but would hate to live there. I hate the busyness, crowds and air pollution.

I really resent the fact that so many Londoners think that anywhere outside of London is a cultural desert. We have Opera North, Northern Ballet, theatres, galleries, castles, abbeys, cathedrals, museums etc.

bigTillyMint · 23/02/2015 07:59

Most south Londoners would rather go for a night out in Brighton than cross the river.

Errr, no. Most south Londoners have plenty going on in their little corner of London and don't even need to go up westWink

arlagirl · 23/02/2015 08:05

I live about 20 mins on train from London and love the place...belong to a few galleries, go to the theatre twice a month, eat out regularly.
I'm originally fro Yorkshire and have lived here for 30 years.

However I have recently divorced and contemplating moving back in a couple of years when Ds at uni.I want to do some travelling and have some fun!

I could buy a 3-4 bedroomed house in a fab area, which would leave me enough income to give up work. I could visit London regularly, and stay in great hotel.

MyballsareSandy · 23/02/2015 08:26

I also live about a 25 min train ride from the centre of London and work in London. Love the place. Considered moving away when kids were little but so glad we didn't as now they are early teens they are discovering London themselves

I appreciate property is ridiculously expensive but I'm my d 40s Nd got on the property ladder 25 years ago, not sure how DDs will ever afford to buy around here

Apart from property though, what else is expensive in London? I don't see that it is much different from elsewhere in UK. I can nip out from my office and enjoy a massive plate of fresh pasta at a little deli for a fiver. I paid double for similar in Cornwall last summer.

HesterShaw · 23/02/2015 11:28

Actually I don't dispute everything you say Mintyy. You just raised my hackles initially when you said you pitied anyone who didn't feel the same about London as you did.

I know for a fact that the small town at the end of the country where I live would be many Londoners' idea of hell, even if they do claim to love the sea and the countryside. However much I love it, it doesn't mean I feel sorry for those who don't get it. And let's not forget this is a thread about living in London.

For me, even when I have stayed there a little while as I do reasonably often, I am always glad to leave. The amount of time it takes to get around, the traffic and the congestion don't do it for me, no matter how many amazing museums there are.

I was quite envious during the Olympics though.

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