people that look at other peoples homes / pension etc with jealousy are abhorrent

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Does anyone else get this allot? It seems many (younger) people have little interest in earning something and building a career, they just want everything handed to them on a plate

Wow! DH and I own property worth a fair amount of money in two of the most expensive cities in the world and you know what? It's more than 50% luck that we've done that. We just happened to hit both markets before prices went ridiculous. We're not that old (late 30s) and we have made sensible choices, worked hard and all the rest but still it's simple fact that today's 20 somethings face a longer road to financial stability than the 35+ have.

The £7000 figure that gets quoted- it doesn't include the police, judiciary system and MPs.

OK thanks, I didn't know that. But the point remains that your father's pension is in no way typical. I've worked in public sector and most people I know who've retired from there didn't even see double figures. Which is also anecdotal but more standard, I think than your father's experience.

I do agree that it's tough and very worrying for young people.

No you didn't - I just wanted to empahsise the point because there are lots of people on this site who do think all public sector workers are on massive pensions and it just isn't true - as you know.

Young people spend all their money on posh coffees.

Yes if I stopped drinking at Costa I could have my own mansion.

You could have two Moomin, one for you and one as a buy-to-let.

In fact if I didn't drink at Costa, I couod have bought the company by now!

I thought someone was saying we could have two Moomins.

I got excited then

You young people want your moomins handed to you on a plate.

I don't find it abhorent. Life is hard when you are trying to get established and I don't know how anyone can get a first time mortgage these days. It must seem unfair when you look at people who have what you want and you feel you will never get there.

As long as they aren't hanging over the fence shouting Class War slogans or daubing insults on your front door, I can't see that it matters.

But are you surprised?

When you look at "most people" they do hand their kids everything on a plate, and they ferry them around to various types of entertainment that will build their character and skills, and buy them everything they want.

Of course they think this will continue.

(I could not resist biting)

But in general, jealousy is often the state of a base soul, philosophically.

I don't come cheap. I cost at least one cake and a bottle of cheap wine.

I don't. I want moomins in exchange for forgoing costa coffee

The 7k average public sector pension doesn't include lots of high pensions, includes part time workers and people that don't have a full pension. So its a load of crap for proving anything.

Im glad to have seen this thread as my mother as lovely as she is is adamant it is nothing to do with it being easier for their generation and everything to do with the fact we may have a takeaway once a month or anything else other than bread and water and because THEY SAVED AND WORKED HARD!!
We are frivolous and feckless and have bought all our financial problems on ourself and why would we need to get a car on credit as in their day they SAVED

I foresee trouble ahead.

I read an article in the paper last week (Times or Telegraph, can't remember) about how nearly every new property in London is being sold off-plan to foreign buyers, as well as the existing ones that are being sold as investments/safe havens for capital. And, increasingly, they are buying property and land in other UK cities too and, indeed, in the nicer places by the sea.

60+ somethings are holding way too much accrued capital in the scheme of things. There is no balance. And no fairness if a 20-something cannot afford the meanest of properties even on a high salary.

Am I jealous of older people's homes and pensions? Well, not being that young, I do have a home, but no pension. If I am jealous, it's of the fact that we couldn't possibly afford the house I grew up in, in spite of earning relatively much more. And pensions - well, there's going to be a situation where some people are lying in their deckchair at 60 with a bumper public sector pension and a person who earnt the same in the private sector living next door having to work until they're 92.

Sharonthewasp - my dm also feels people in 20's and 30's cannot buy due to overspending!

In the 60's/70's, family members were able to buy 4 bedroom houses in South East London Conservation areas. The wife stayed at home with the three/four children whilst the husband went to work on the railways/as a postman. They did not go on holidays, eat take aways often or own.more than one family car per home BUT neither do we and we BOTH work to fund a small 3 bed house with a 2 hour commute each way.

Every day I question why I did not work immediately after leaving school in the early 90's. Maybe I would have jumped on the property ladder far sooner. Yes, my job pays well but I did not need a degree to function in my role. It stings!

I am thankful to have a mortgage. I know of many who are paying over £1k a month for a one bed. Now that would burn me.

I agree with the title of this thread. I can't stand envious, grudgeful people. What do they want? For others not to be doing well...? If someone has more than me thats their call, envying them isn't going to put a penny more in my pocket is it. Too many people are pre-occupied with "things". I hope they can carry the material things they covet, and envy in others, into their coffin when their time comes..just so nobody else can have it any better

Lovely shit-and-run post, OP.

I know lots of lovely people who work shitty jobs, very hard work, maybe two jobs, trying and failing to get ahead. The older people I know with houses and pensions didn't work harder than them. In fact, lots of the older generation were doing it on one income. Now you can't do it on two.

MrsTerry, completely agree with you.
www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/boring-conformity-now-a-massive-achievement-2015020395004

In response to costa coffee comments the baby boomers were far more likely to smoke when young than people the same age now. so ð???

Mistress A secure home isn't "things" though is it? And envying the opportunity to establish yourself is hardly rampant consumerist jealousy.

It's a bit like the thought process that fuels economic migration, the difference being that migration to the 60s/70s isn't possible.

Look at the Op's name people. Goady spoof thread if ever I saw one.

Arsenic it has come to something when a home and the means to not be poor in your old age are seen as consumerist 'things'.