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To be disapointed by the lack of support for Harvey?

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mynameisbob · 29/01/2015 21:39

I am no fan of Katie Price, but I am really disappointed that most of the feedback I have seen regarding the LEA support Harvey has for his disability has been all about the fact that his mother is a high earner? We have a welfare state in this country for a reason- to help those in society that need it most- eg disabled children!!!. Do we want a welfare state or not? I am fearful that this country is turning into a very selfish and judgemental society that the Government is turning to it's advantage, and the welfare state will slowly be eroded away. I am am not saying that KP has any right to claim benefits, but this is about her child's education.

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mamabear220 · 29/01/2015 23:13

Because my dear, Mrs Tawdy, when you have to watch your own sister pack up and move because it makes the treck she has to do for her DD easier, you're going to have a bloody bias. She could barely afford the move but she did it, she didn't ask any of us for money and refused anything we offered.

Samcro · 29/01/2015 23:14

beanlovesb · 29/01/2015 23:15

I agree mrsT... the government should just keep closing schools and the parents of children with sn should just keep uprooting to try and find a new school. great idea mama.

I work with children with autism and often find that children with developmental delays or learning disabilities are not given the same amount of empathy as people with physical disabilities. I wonder if people would be more sympathetic to Harvey's needs if he was in a wheelchair, for example.... just a thought

mamabear220 · 29/01/2015 23:15

beanlovesb · 29/01/2015 23:16

ps not implying thats the case for anyone on here, it's just a thought I had when I was listening to this debate on the radio

Icimoi · 29/01/2015 23:20

If she wanted to she could move, and do it with a lot more ease than other families who can't actually afford the transportation so they have no other choice.

mamabear, would you like to have to uproot your entire family just because the council decided to place your severely disabled child in a school 1.5 hours away?

I suspect the council is very grateful that KP decided to opt for their school. She could well have gone for one of the highly specialist independent special schools which, for a child of this complexity, cost over £100K per year.

Flywheel · 29/01/2015 23:20

So let's dig a bit deeper with your thought process. My daughter gets state funded transport to school. We are not loaded, but very comfortable. Should I pay for transport? Should I pay for physio and it and physio too? Should I keep on paying until we only have enough to survive. My neighbours with their nt kids can keep their money (after they pay for private schools and health insurance) but because my child is disabled I should be bled dry? Can you not see the flaws in your logic?

CrispyFern · 29/01/2015 23:27

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cleanmachine · 29/01/2015 23:28

Poor harvey. The real scandal here is twofold:

Poor Harvey is having to spend 3 hours a day in a confined taxi so when most children have got home and hada snack and are unwinding he is still travelling.

There are people out there who support kh. She really is a vile bigot and is being cheered on by cbb viewers. It's pathetic and sad that there are people out there who begrudge harvey his transport to school.

If we start means testing for special schools how long before they start means testing for state schools?

MrsTawdry · 29/01/2015 23:30

Mama you're speaking shite Dear What the hell has your sister's choice got to do with the rest of the world? Or the rest of the world's rights?

Fuck all that's what. ALL disabled children have a right to transportation to their school...no matter where it is. You think people should move? To get to the closest school? Because your "sister" did? What planet do you live on?

MrsTawdry · 29/01/2015 23:31

Bean I agree. I had an argument with someone on another forum because he denigrated an autistic man's efforts at the thing he loved....and said he wasn't a "real" (insert profession)

I felt he was reluctant to accept this man's skills only because the man had a speech impediment and some issues communicating. He was as good at what he did as any NT person.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 29/01/2015 23:32

When other parents of disabled children (my sister and her DD included!) have moved closer to certain schools to make it easier and more affordable, when other parents who can afford such trips pay themselves, when other disabled adults and children alike who can't afford it have to fight to get funded private transport, when the NHS can't afford life saving medicine for cancer patients then yes she should bloody pay. Nothing to do with not supporting Harvey, more to do with the "just because you CAN take doesn't morally mean you SHOULD", benefits are for the needy, not the greedy and she is far from needy. She was given one million just to enter CBB for god's sake!

Huh? The law states a child with a statement has to be provided with transport some LA's will allow the parent to claim fuel back instead of use the transport.

Perhaps instead of moving it would be wiser to force the la to follow the law

merrymouse · 29/01/2015 23:33

Mamabear, the welfare state is not supposed to be just for the poor, it is for everyone, according to their needs.

Equally, we pay into it according to our ability.

When the rich don't participate in state services, the result is not more services for the poor, it is lower taxes and nothing for the poor.

I don't know the terms of Harvey's statement, but transport to school seems a fairly standard provision.

MrsTawdry · 29/01/2015 23:33

Mama what you're saying is shameful. Look back...read other's opinions and remove yourself from your warped, selfish outlook and see the real picture here. You should be embarrassed about what you've said on this thread.

And if you're not...well I'll remember to ignore all of your posts in future....won't be the only one probably.

bialystockandbloom · 29/01/2015 23:34

Ffs, being able to school is not a frigging benefit, it is an essential part of being educated. Every single child is entitled to a state-funded education, whether the child of a billionaire or someone on the breadline. If you choose for your child to go a state school, you'll be allocated the nearest suitable one. For most people that's walking distance. SSs are few and far beteween (especially given the drive for 'inclusion' which means many are being closed), and the nearest suitable one is often not within walking distance.

If a suitable school can only be reached by vehicle transport, that is part of the deal. It is not an added extra.

Can't understand how anyone can really not grasp that.

beanlovesb · 29/01/2015 23:34

I'm very comforted to see that mama's views are lone views on here.

DixieNormas · 29/01/2015 23:36

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lem73 · 29/01/2015 23:36

I'm not sure what the point of starting this thread was. Opinion on MN and amongst anyone I've spoken to is overwhelming behind Katie Price. I don't think there is a need to go on about it.

PtolemysNeedle · 29/01/2015 23:39

If you've seen the difficulties that can come to someone you love when their child needs special education, why on earth would you wish those difficulties and more on anyone else?

Do you think it's right that you sister felt like she had to martyr herself and the rest of her family just so she didn't use transport for her child? Or was her move not really about preventing her council paying for a school run at all?

MrsTawdry · 29/01/2015 23:40

lem hmm...has OP been back since she or he posted? If not...probably a journo looking for quotes for tomorrow's piece.

beanlovesb · 29/01/2015 23:40

lem there is a lot of backlash against KP on other media outlets, and I heard alot of anti KP thoughts on a radio debate earlier, as I said upthread. up until this thread those were the only views I'd heard today

merrymouse · 29/01/2015 23:40

After services have been taken away from the rich, the next step is the demonisation of those who can't afford to pay for themselves.

Luckily for those

bialystockandbloom · 29/01/2015 23:40

if we start means testing for special schools how long before they start means testing for state schools

Exactly, cleanmachine perfectly put.

MrsTawdry · 29/01/2015 23:41

Oh lordy. this was OP's FIRST POST EVER!

beanlovesb · 29/01/2015 23:43

hmm... op did comment again midway through

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