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To be disapointed by the lack of support for Harvey?

163 replies

mynameisbob · 29/01/2015 21:39

I am no fan of Katie Price, but I am really disappointed that most of the feedback I have seen regarding the LEA support Harvey has for his disability has been all about the fact that his mother is a high earner? We have a welfare state in this country for a reason- to help those in society that need it most- eg disabled children!!!. Do we want a welfare state or not? I am fearful that this country is turning into a very selfish and judgemental society that the Government is turning to it's advantage, and the welfare state will slowly be eroded away. I am am not saying that KP has any right to claim benefits, but this is about her child's education.

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Flywheel · 29/01/2015 22:47

Mamabear, if sn children are not getting transport funding that they are entitled to, that is not KP's fault. You simply cannot hold her responsible for that.
I think, morally, you can only object to this funding if you also object to anyone wealthy using state schools or the NHS. His basic educational needs are being met. That is all. It's what taxes are for. If you think parents of disabled children need to pay higher taxes than everyone else you're an arse.

ghostyslovesheep · 29/01/2015 22:48

does Harvey earn enough to pay for his transport?

How much tax - say in comparison to - oh - You , do you think KP has paid over the years ?

Ohmygrood · 29/01/2015 22:50

Where do you draw the line mamabear?
Should the wealthy just have to pay for their disabled children to receive a suitable education, or should they pay for all of their children?

hazeyjane · 29/01/2015 22:52

Mama bear, where would you draw the line - just her severely disabled son's transport? Using NHS healthcare? State schools? And what level of income would be deemed enough before it is decided the family has to fund these things?

Samcro · 29/01/2015 22:53

david cameron would have used all these things, he is rich, why not have a pop at him?

beanlovesb · 29/01/2015 22:55

if we start saying people who can afford to pay should, then we go down a dark and slippery path. where do you draw the line? do you take savings or inheritance off disabled people before they can receive benefits? what if KP stops earning money, or something happens to her? should she sell her assets to pay for his care? should we police doctors surgeries and hospitals to make sure only people who can't afford private health care are using the nhs? should we chuck the children of rich parents out of state schools?

I think a much huger issue is how many people are getting away with not paying the taxes they should be. we should turn our anger towards them instead of KP (who we can only assume does pay her tax as we have no evidence otherwise) - if all these greedy bigwigs paid their fair share then perhaps all these sn schools would not be closing down. there lies the real issue, not with KP

hazeyjane · 29/01/2015 22:55

Don't tempt people, Samcro!

PtolemysNeedle · 29/01/2015 22:56

What I'm saying is if the person works and earns enough to pay and still live then they should.

Why? Why can't the UK support all of it's citizens equally well when it comes to disability?

Why would you want to live in a society that doesn't do that?

beanlovesb · 29/01/2015 22:56

samcro I believe they probably did...

Samcro · 29/01/2015 22:57

why not?
why is Harvey being targeted, a thread with his name in the title?

Mintyy · 29/01/2015 22:59

I cringe for the stupid people who just don't get it on this issue.

The only negative comments I've seen have been on the Mail Online - nuff said Wink.

ouryve · 29/01/2015 23:02

Can I just clear up that you don't claim school transport. An appropriate school place is awarded (often after a fight costing thousands, which is criminal given the means of most families), it is named on the statement/EHCP and a taxi or minubus turns up at the door, commissioned by the LA.

There are no suitable places for DS1 in our county. His school is 45 miles away in a county that has a published policy of forcing parents to tribunal for a non-maintained specialist placement and employing barristers against them. My LA isn't so aggressive, but doesn't have the provision.

mamabear220 · 29/01/2015 23:02

Ghostly, Rina, don't put words into my mouth about state education, health care or the lot because i never said anything about Harvey or those things in the same bloody sentence. I've said he deserves the money he is entitled to and of course it's his mother's job to take care of him so that's what she's doing. I mentioned DH and I not claiming because I knew in an argument like this of course we'd be asked do we do the same, not because I think I'm entitled.

Fly Yes, In my opinion state hand outs and the likes are for people who actually need it to live and really can't afford it. If you can afford it then why do you still go for the free option? I'd rather not see the NHS and benefits crumble and have people who actually need this money to live suffer because it's being sucked dry.

Samcro, this thread isn't about Cameron. If it would I'd damn we'll have a go at him as well.

All I said was about the transportation, not his education, not healthcare, nothing but the transport. Of course, KP wouldn't want her son to travel such a distance but don't make it out that she is helpless either. If she wanted to she could move, and do it with a lot more ease than other families who can't actually afford the transportation so they have no other choice.

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ohnoalfie · 29/01/2015 23:04

I was watching cbb when this was shown and kh said something along the lines of 'I don't think anyone who can afford things should expect the government to pay'. I wonder if she ever uses the nhs, or takes her kids to the library, or used the 15 hoursnursery funding when they turned three or lots of others things that the government provides. And nobody would begrudge her if she did.

Samcro · 29/01/2015 23:06

KP has a disabled kid
easy target

MrsTawdry · 29/01/2015 23:07

Mama and why the hell should she move!? What about her other children!>

Where do we draw the line? In your imaginary world where parents with disabled children must move, pay for transport and uproot their other DC because they earn a certain amount of money!???

Go on. Why should she move?

mamabear220 · 29/01/2015 23:08

Lovely, throwing abuse already, Samcro, I didn't SAY his transportion was a benefit.

Samcro · 29/01/2015 23:09

you mentioned benefits

TwinkieTwinkle · 29/01/2015 23:09

I think the point is we all pay our tax for the benefit of everyone in our society. KP pays an immense amount of tax, why shouldn't she see a slight benefit for her severely disabled son?

ouryve · 29/01/2015 23:10

mamabear I suppose you could suggest that we move, too. We could get within about 20 miles of the school without leaving the county that pays for it.
Of course, that would mean uprooting DS2 from the lovely mainstream primary where he is very settled and has a fabulous 1:1.

It would also move the boys away from their elderly paternal grandparents.

MrsTawdry · 29/01/2015 23:10

Mama please answer my question. Why should she move and uproot her other DC? Who are settled.? WHY?

ohnoalfie · 29/01/2015 23:12

mama you've mentioned a couple of times about moving. If you know anything about Sen and la's, unfortunately its not a simple case of moving nearer the school. If its under a different la, they can reassess, move your child to a different school, the statement/ehcp system isn't that simplistic.

kissmethere · 29/01/2015 23:12

I support Katie and Harvey. KH is stirring it up she knows what she is doing. She has no support or understanding for anyone.

Nerf · 29/01/2015 23:13

This is such a scary insight into the minds of people who don't know how the system works and end up envious or bitter about a disabled child being taken to school.

I can't be bothered to educate anyone about the criteria or reasoning and I'm sorry that people actually feel parents of disabled people should lose out financially. Because if we start with Katie price we move to higher rate tax payers and then we move to people on any income and then we move to everyone paying.