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TheRealAmandaClarke · 08/01/2015 13:50

To inform them all (probably leave Dh out of the round robin) that I do not want to have sex with them unless and until further formal notice from me?

As it seems that there is such confusion among so many people about the nature of consent I want to avoid putting any of them in the terribly awkward position of wondering whether simply being in the same room as them means they are invited to stick their dick in me.
So is that an unreasonable proposition?

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YonicSleighdriver · 09/01/2015 18:24

Is anyone offended by the "don't be that guy" campaign I posted earlier?

TheRealAmandaClarke · 09/01/2015 18:25

Not me.
Grin
I will ask dh

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MaMaMarmoset · 09/01/2015 18:31

I'd like to send a letter out to all women in the world asking them not to shit in the supermarket.

#NAWSIS

It must be nice to be a guy and for your biggest fear be that you might randomly come across shit in a supermarket.

Maybe if you had 1 in 5 chance of being raped you'd not find it as funny to compare rape to shitting in supermarkets.

TheOfficialPan · 09/01/2015 18:58

Just wondering a bit how far any of this thread has provided any illumination? So OP provides a surreal device - some exchanges re the nature of humour, some blokes (like me) go along with it, others get a bit more serious, and it evolves into shitting in aisle 12. Are we sure we haven't anything better to do with our time?

TheRealAmandaClarke · 09/01/2015 19:01

Ok.
Some posters are offended because I think I am "all that"
Some are offended that I think they/ their DP's might want to have sex with me.

Some claim (but imo do not actually believe) that I am joking about rape.

Some understand that my OP was a comment on the misogynistic status quo which claims that women need to give explicit non consent to sex in order to not be accused of consenting to sex when, in fact, they were not consenting to sex.

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GallicIsCharlie · 09/01/2015 19:02

I've been away from the thread, notauniquename, and am replying to your very peculiar response before catching up.

If you're in bed during the day is it because you are in the mood and want your partner to join you? or is it because you want a nap?

As with the other scenarios you sketched, he can always ASK! I am not a mysterious hieroglyphic, which must be subtly read in order to open the gateway of sex. I'm a human being who sometimes wants sex and sometimes doesn't.

And, no, my guideline was not incomplete. If you've ever put your penis into the body of a person who wasn't actively inviting it in the moment, you had no reasonable cause to believe they consented and that is rape.

TheOfficialPan · 09/01/2015 19:14

OP (still no idea which MNer you are!) - it just sounds like a pithy, good point a woman could make in a bar room to a bunch of empathic, like-mined people, who would I'd expect to nod meaningfully and do other non-verbal gestures in recognition and support. But to type it out on a forum is going to invite a detailed and (expected) querying analysis, hence hundreds of posts going in no particular direction that produces lots of heat but no light.

All in my very very humble opinion of course..

notauniquename · 09/01/2015 19:15

Let me approach what I'm trying to get across from a different point.

Do you understand why it is that neither Amanda, (nor any other person here) can rescind their consent for me to have sex with them?
and why they don't need to?

(as a quick clue, the answer is not that I'm a rabid rapist that doesn't care about whether consent is granted)

GallicIsCharlie your original description of guiding it in was somewhat more graphic.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 09/01/2015 19:19

When you put it like that I entirely understand.
I can see there was no justification in offering a satirical comment on the common assumption of consent.
You have helped me understand that it really is not an issue.
I dont know what I was thinking.

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notauniquename · 09/01/2015 19:20

honestly, are you just trying to be obtuse?

Jessica85 · 09/01/2015 19:22

Unique, I'm guessing because she never gave consent in the first place, so it doesn't need to be rescinded?

I think (as always I may be wrong) that the point of the entire thread was that (having read many internet posts on the subject) Amanda felt that many people are confused about the very idea that consent has to be given in the first place. Obviously you are not one of those people, and so should disregard her letter as unnecessary.

GallicIsCharlie · 09/01/2015 19:23

Erm, notunique, I don't think I described it. Get a hold of yourself.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 09/01/2015 19:24

No unique but i am a little tired of trying to address your pseudo intelligent questions. You have already acknowledged you're being obtuse. That is quite difficult to work with tbh.

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TheOfficialPan · 09/01/2015 19:25

Glad to be of help OP. As an add-on, you really need to brush up on your effective use of satire. It's a tricky cove that requires skill.
Best.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 09/01/2015 19:25

get a hold of yourself
You sure that doesn't sound like a come-on?
Wink

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TheRealAmandaClarke · 09/01/2015 19:27

Welcome?
I wasn't addressing you. pan

Best to be clear about these things eh.

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TheRealAmandaClarke · 09/01/2015 19:29

And i am completely ok btw with my use of satire.
But thank you for trying to be offensive.

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TheCowThatLaughs · 09/01/2015 19:30

There are some arrogant men fuckers on this thread Shock

TheOfficialPan · 09/01/2015 19:31

Okay OP.
good luck with this.

GallicIsCharlie · 09/01/2015 19:32

You sure that doesn't sound like a come-on?
It probably does, Amanda

But I'm wearing my 'No' t-shirt.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 09/01/2015 19:34

Yes thecowthatlaughs
I wonder if that annoyance is because of the faux outrage at being accused of being potential rapists even though that was obviously not what they are accused of
Or the very real outrage of having a woman state they do not want to have sex with them (unless otherwise stated)
I don't think we will ever know the truth.

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TheOfficialPan · 09/01/2015 19:34

erm..I wasn't being offensive....the evidence of your over-investment in your own abilities re satire is obvious.

I'll be away.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 09/01/2015 19:35

Is it snug- fitting?
Might be considered ironic.

I knew the letter was the only way.

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TheCowThatLaughs · 09/01/2015 19:36

Fuck knows Amanda but something's rattled em

QueenTilly · 09/01/2015 19:37

Are wesurewe haven't anything better to do with our time?

Confused

Pan, this is the internet. You can't think its popularity depends on people using it because they don't know they have better things to do? Grin