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To agree with Katie Hopkins?

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UnacceptableWidge · 02/01/2015 13:32

I know, I know!!
Turned on Radio2, initially had no idea who it was and found myself nodding along to every word.

As a 'fatty' myself I had to agree with all she said. I did this to myself. I like food, especially junk food waaay too much. I hate exercise a lot. Nobody to blame but me.

The horror of agreeing with her may, possibly, finally force me to get off my arse and do something about it though I will never in RL admit that she has made me wake up and realise this is all on me

All I would add, as clearly she cannot be completely right and understanding life in anyone else's shoes, that her circumstance is different to mine.

My weight crept on gradually over the years.
My mindset has never been to actively put weight on with the intention of losing it again, I simply developed bad habits over a long time.

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rookietherednosedreindeer · 04/01/2015 10:20

A very interesting point was completely glossed over. When she was down to ten stone whatever they said she had lost muscle mass. This is one of the key reasons peek regain weight as fat burns less calories than muscle and it can be addressed through weight bearing exercise. Katie must have done this as not mentioned at next visit but did not say how and gave the false impression that running is all you need to lose weight.

hollyisalovelyname · 04/01/2015 10:32

I don't particularly like Katie Hopkins or her views but in my case she is right. I could be thin if I wanted to be but I seem to prefer chocolate, sweets and fattening foods to having a healthier body, sadly.
I am sure there are many like me.
This year I will eat less and move more.

fatlazymummy · 04/01/2015 11:03

holly that makes 2 of us. It just isn't a very popular point of view n this forum though.

fascicle · 04/01/2015 11:15

holly/fatlazymummy Which of her views do you share?

AgentCooper · 04/01/2015 11:20

Eat less, move more - no shit, Sherlock. But throw in factors of psychology, medical issues, medications etc, then the story is far more complex. I know I'd be thinner with less food and more exercise, so why don't I just do it? I'm not lazy - I work very hard and am rarely idle. I'm not hungry as such - I just feel like some of the tiredness of the day will be taken away by a big chunk of Toblerone (while knowing that, realistically, it's not true). I was a bulimic teenager and food and weight have long been complicated for me.

Without wishing to sound petty or immature (actually, fuck it), I really fucking hate Katie Hopkins, and the way she deliberately provokes people with her views on weight, class, Scotland, whatever. She is a bigoted prick with the face of a camel and she almost pushed me into voting yes in the referendum.

ppeatfruit · 04/01/2015 11:31

IMO KH is an unintelligent emotional wreck and tries to hide her insecurities by being insulting and 'in yer face' to court a lot of publicity. Because that's how she makes a living.

She's not really worth getting bothered about but in this case as hollyisalovelyname says,she has a point.

Junglen · 04/01/2015 11:37

I'm like that holly. when i watch my weight carefully I'm 9 stone and when I just relax and eat what i want when i want I'm about 9 stone 9. 9 pounds really shows up on me. I have chosen it, this last year, I've got a new job and I've had other things on my mind and so I chose to give myself one task fewer (watching weight). This year now that everything has landed I can cope with the task of weight control. Because it's do-able but it's not totally effortless!

Junglen · 04/01/2015 11:40

I don't think KH is an unintelligent emotional wreck at all, wow, I think she's really secure with a healthy self-esteem. SHe has been heavily criticised in the media for her controversial statements, she stirred up a lot of 'haterz' and she sailed through the media storm with bearly a chink in her armour. She's probably banked enough to send those oddly named children to private school and her mortgage is probably taken care of for the next decade. I reckon she sleeps well at nigth tbh.

fatlazymummy · 04/01/2015 11:42

fascicle I haven't watched the programme. I was agreeing with Holly. I am overweight because I've been eating too much crap over the last few months, and if I want to lose that weight then I have to stop doing that.
Thats it - nothing complex about it. I just need to eat less. Yes it does take a bit of effort and will power, but that's life.
I know this because I have lost weight in the past. It wasn't difficult at all, once I accepted what I had to do and stop making excuses for myself.

FlowerFairy2014 · 04/01/2015 11:43

They didn't really go into any interest science or points on the programmes at all. It will probably make some people give themselves the push to realise they could actually take charge and lose weight.

They really should have at least mentioned the links between control of epilepsy and a healthy diet which high in good fats adn low in carbs. That was the classic way to treat epilepsy before drugs and it works in a good number of cases. She has epilepsy and presumably normally eats well. With her condition suddenly to eat more carbs and sugar (if she did) when she put the weight could have a huge effect on her epilepsy. www.epilepsy.com/learn/treating-seizures-and-epilepsy/dietary-therapies/ketogenic-diet

Also sugar and carbs make people cry and be more depressed and although that was slightly touched on it was more along the unscientific lines of I am sad because I'm fat and not doing my running rather than eating more often and more carbs my blood sugar is up and down so the seratonin levels in my brain are lower and thus I am sadder and more depressed. They could have had an expert on on that topic and illustrated it with visuals.

It was a missed opportunity.

fascicle · 04/01/2015 12:10

fatlazymummy
fascicle I haven't watched the programme. I was agreeing with Holly. I am overweight because I've been eating too much crap over the last few months, and if I want to lose that weight then I have to stop doing that.

The views you're agreeing with I think most people would share (i.e. the mechanics of becoming overweight; the individual deciding to change) - they're not unique to Katie Hopkins.

Junglen
I don't think KH is an unintelligent emotional wreck at all

She seems to be devoid of 'emotional intelligence', which is key to understanding/helping others with weight/eating issues.

Junglen · 04/01/2015 12:20

We don't know if she's devoid of it, it's just not what she's being paid for, so she just doesn't employ it on this particular TV show. There is no shortage of presenters all trying not to say the wrong thing. In television terms, she's something new.

She has discovered that she can make money from saying out loud what many people think. She's found a gap in the market there, and she nipped in, that's her niche now, she just thinks out loud. Ta da. Easy money. I wish I'd thought of it. She's probably planning to use that money for her family's good. Mortgage, Education, that stuff matters to her.

Plenty of men are really outspoken and forget to show empathy, but that is not so controversial. So she says what she thinks and she is a bit egregious at times, but to label her an emotional wreck! where's the evidence for that?!

Junglen · 04/01/2015 12:20

....... and I've got red har

ppeatfruit · 04/01/2015 12:47

As fascicle says she seems devoid of compassion. It was my opinion I didn't expect everyone to agree with me. Junglen I wasn't referring to men we are discussing KH I think.

fascicle · 04/01/2015 12:58

We don't know if she's devoid of it, it's just not what she's being paid for, so she just doesn't employ it on this particular TV show.

She's either devoid of emotional intelligence or playing the part of someone who is, for monetary gain. Her ebola comment was another example.

ppeatfruit · 04/01/2015 13:25

Flowerfairy I completely agree.

Junglen · 04/01/2015 14:43

I missed the ebola comment. What did she say?

I find her amusing tbh. Love how she stirs up the rabble. I bet she's good company.

ShadowSuperNova · 04/01/2015 15:15

I bet she's only good company if you're not in one of the group's she's taken a public dislike to.

The Ebola comment was along the lines of sending us Ebola bombs in the form of sweaty glaswegians not being cricket. Plus a jab at the Scottish NHS. It should be easy enough to find if you Google Katie Hopkins + Ebola.

FlowerFairy2014 · 04/01/2015 15:55

It is the way she makes a lot of the pointes which causes controversy. The general issue that the Scots need the English and we have taken in and accepted risks in London a Scot who presumably could have been treated in Edinburgh is not a wrong point to make to those who want to be totally separate from England.

rookiemere · 04/01/2015 15:56

That's a really interesting point flowerfairy and one which I didn't know.

Thinking back on what annoyed me about it as well, was the implicit message that most people get fat by shovelling in the hideous ready meals and chocolate bars that she ate for the experiment. For the majority of us weight creeps on. An extra 100 calories a day, be it a bag of crisps or a slice of toast results in a 10 pound weight gain in a year, 200 cals - extra couple of glasses of wine, or a bag of maltesers, makes you 20 pounds fatter. That's insidious and harder to loose than a couple of extra stone you bunged on through eating stuff you don't like for a very short period of time.

KH reminded me a bit of my parents attitudes - both thin and not overly interested in food and myself growing up - prone to fattness and keen on sugary treats. They simply could not understand why I was overweight.

Argh, by talking about it I am simply increasing this woman's media life span. Must stop now.

AgentCooper · 04/01/2015 16:21

There is nothing - NOTHING - which would make her comments about the Scottish nurse and Ebola acceptable. She is not making an interesting point about how Scotland needs England. People are transferred to hospitals in different countries where they have the best facilities for particular conditions, it happens.

She used language which, in my book, is bigoted: 'sweaty little jocks,' etc. And let's not forget that she was talking about a nurse who had volunteered to work in West Africa. KH isn't fit to wipe that nurse's nose. The front pages in Scotland are saying that the nurse is in a critical condition today and there is a general feeling that people in this country are all dearly hoping she gets better because we're proud of her.

Do you think the nurse's parents want to read shite like that from a pompous, stuck up, bigoted fool when their daughter is desperately ill? And whether or not they read KH's tweets, they'll surely be aware of them as they're all over the media. And they know she joked about their daughter's health to stir up attention for herself and make a quick buck.

She is nothing but a spoiled hooligan.

fascicle · 04/01/2015 16:30

FlowerFairy
It is the way she makes a lot of the pointes which causes controversy. The general issue that the Scots need the English and we have taken in and accepted risks in London a Scot who presumably could have been treated in Edinburgh is not a wrong point to make to those who want to be totally separate from England.

Actually, the way she made her point was appalling, but the point itself was absurd, not to mention completely lacking in humanity. Particularly absurd because the outcome of the referendum was not a vote for independence; inhumane because (a very humane) nurse's life hangs in the balance. Why do you say that the patient 'could have been treated in Edinburgh?'. The other British nurse who survived Ebola was also treated at the Royal Free Hospital, so presumably they have specialist resources that make them better equipped to look after such patients.

AgentCooper · 04/01/2015 17:11

Indeed, fascicle. The nurse was treated at Gartnavel, 10 minutes from my house in Glasgow, at first. She was moved to London because specialist resources were needed.

And in any case, she remains as British as Katie Hopkins, post-referendum, and therefore has exactly the same right to be treated in a British hospital. And even if she wasn't, it would have been the right thing to do.

People like to bring up the good old British values of free speech and democracy wrt this issue. What about those good old British values of decency and respect?

fascicle · 04/01/2015 17:23

And even if she wasn't, it would have been the right thing to do.

Absolutely agree with you, AgentCooper.

HelenaDove · 04/01/2015 17:28

"Plenty of men are really outspoken and forget to show empathy, but that is not so controversial. So she says what she thinks and she is a bit egregious at times, but to label her an emotional wreck! where's the evidence for that?"

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