To talk in quiet zone

[Bluegill]

In first class rail travel? I'm playing hang man with my son, quietly on our journey home and he's just whispered to me that the woman sitting opposite him has mouthed to him to shut up! I like the quiet zone and its my view it's only no phones and no unnecessary noise, not no conversation at all. I've told my son we're not playing now but he's understandably disappointed. I won't say anything to the woman but think it's unnecessary to be quite so rude or am IBU?

Sorry - you said you were playing hangman. Is phone hangman silent??

No, I took it to mean just as it said - loud conversations, which fits in perfectly with the train guidelines re quiet, not silent. No reading between the lines needed really.

Yes, odd, you each get a turn toake a word just using the keypad on the phone. We're not playing now and I'm less anxious about ds eating his crisps

Sorry for my first message. I thought you had a chatty little child.
(Thinking of my motormouth 4 year old!!!!!!!)

No probs wolfie, that would be a big mistake (remembering my ds as a 4 year old )

You didn't say that in your OP, OP. I infer phone hangman ito be like phone scrabble in that you don't even need to be together to play. In Which case I'd be delighted to sit opposite you. It's when I can hear banal conversation over my headphones (on which I listen to white noise!) that I find it irritating.

I can't fucking stand it when people sit in the Quiet carriage and then proceed to have a conversation. Unfortunately, most train companies don't clarify the expectation on this, just refer to electronic devices and talking on phones.

I had to stop sitting in the Quiet carriage because it wasn't doing my blood pressure any good.

yabu why sit in quiet zone if you want to talk?

No OP, you were not being unreasonable. At all.

A stranger was annoyed by you talking quietly to your child. Rather than approach you as the adult, or even report you to someone else, she told your child to shut up and she did so on the sly. I'd be furious and have to say something to her.

Toby there's a long list of reasons, read the thread. Raising I agree with you of course. I've moved now anyway so it's no longer an issue. I do agree that unless I'm on my own I probably shouldn't sit in the quiet zone. I won't do it with my child again.

They do clarify the expectation Viv - the expectation is no mobile devices and conversations kept low and to a minimum. For example, East Coast clarifies that "mobile phone calls and noise from electronic devices are strictly forbidden, and conversations must be conducted quietly, so everyone can escape distractions or enjoy a nap"

What they don't do is insist on silence, which is what some people who choose quiet carriages would like.

To me quiet carriage means: no mobiles, noisy computer games, stag/hen parties, singalongs, screaming babies or tedious middle aged folk droning on about their downstairs loo extension.

Everything else is AOK

SirChen I said, "Unfortunately, most train companies don't clarify the expectation on this, just refer to electronic devices and talking on phones." I don't know what else to say, other than I guess that your experience of many train companies differs to mine?

it's common sense though really isn't it? Erm quiet is quiet whether talking on a mobile or to another person. The reality is that few people take any notice at all and personally I avoid sitting in them at all.

Well Toby, my common sense would have to differ to yours. it's interesting that few people have focussed on the miserable and rude woman mouthing 'shut up' to my child. That's ok but talking quietly isn't .

Not really Viv. If you look at the various train companies websites you'll see what they mean by quiet zones - and the clarification is the same, which is quiet conversations, no mobile devices. None say "you must be silent at all times in our quiet zones".

Quite blue which is why I never ever ever sit in the quiet zone.

But sir chenin you can check the websites all you like ime they all do nothing to actually enforce it so it's totally and utterly pointless imo.

I groan when I have accidentally reserved a seat in one when traveling with work. I have to sit suffering huffing and puffing then get glared at for having head phones on when my music is so low I can barely hear it.

I'm referring to the announcement by the train manager, but I'm sure you're absolutely right that all of the websites of the various operators specify about conversation in the quiet carriage.

No phones, no "personal" stereos (thud, crash, thud, crash . . .) and no computer or handheld games unless they are on silent.

Keep conversation quiet.

That's all the quiet carriage means, isn't it?

Right, I'm getting off the train now and looking forward to a G&t when I get home. Happy new year lovely people.

Happy New year

Goodness have read some of the uptight replies up thread I have no intention of particularly bothering to keep quiet next time I find myself randomly allocated quiet zone tickets (without asking for them)

I have a 3 yr old and a 20 month old...

Yes, I'm sure I am Viv

Toby - no, they don't always enforce it. Iirc, the last time I booked a seat in the quiet zone the T&Cs said something about not being able to guarantee it would be quiet. If the train is full up and the only seats or standing space available are in the quiet zone then it's not going to be quiet journey.

Paint your nails OP, that will really fuck her off.

Smell is silent :)