To talk in quiet zone

[Bluegill]

In first class rail travel? I'm playing hang man with my son, quietly on our journey home and he's just whispered to me that the woman sitting opposite him has mouthed to him to shut up! I like the quiet zone and its my view it's only no phones and no unnecessary noise, not no conversation at all. I've told my son we're not playing now but he's understandably disappointed. I won't say anything to the woman but think it's unnecessary to be quite so rude or am IBU?

On Cross Country trains the only wheelchair spaces are usually in the quiet zone. So I have no choice but to sit in the quiet zone even though I'd rather not. And if I want to talk to someone I'm with or I need to use my phone (and I usually do - to ring the person that's picking me up and let them know we're at the station before mine) that's not my problem or my fault. Not everyone who sits in the quiet zone does so by choice.

Some train operators are doing away with quiet coaches aren't they? Cause too many rows, apparently.

Who'd have thought?

i really fucking hate quiet carriage. Theres always someone who gets arsey. Sometimes the trainline puts you in quiet when you dont even want to be there

No, quiet zone does NOT just mean no mobile phones. It also means no unnecessary noise. That includes ongoing conversations above a quiet mumble/whisper. Class is irrelevant. You're even more likely to get tutted in the economy quiet carriage because it's full of people trying to work. (Not today obviously, I'd hope.)

OP you were clearly loud enough to disturb the occupant of the other seat, so you were too loud, no matter what your perception of things.

Zebra - yep, some are. And rightly so, I think.

Bran - again, yes. If other carriages are full then you are put in the quiet zone. Iirc, it's made clear in your booking T&Cs that you cannot be guaranteed that the carriage will be quiet.

I'm not sure I really get the difference between a mobile phone and a conversation. They are both talking, so both equally audible and hence the same annoyance factor.

My H is a train manager and his announcements regarding the quiet coach usually say "please keep noise and conversation to a minimum". They can't really set a rule on exactly what does and doesn't constitute acceptable, but if my son (9, and v experienced at what's allowed on trains!) and I are going to play games we generally move out of the quiet coach.

Oh and the class kind of does matter - from long experience, there is generally a much higher expectation of quiet in first class coaches (it's just the general atmosphere) so what goes in an FC quiet coach is not the same as what is generally tolerated in standard. Not necessarily right but just the way it is. My son is very clear that if he wants to sit in FC he has to be quiet, and our TOC doesn't even have an FC quiet coach any more!

I think YWBU to play a game in the quiet carriage that involves constant chatter.

I think she was being rude mouthing that to your son and I would have said something to her.

It's all about context. A loud, ongoing conversation versus a quiet one. A loud, ongoing mobile phone call versus a short, quiet one of the "hi, the train's on time, see you at 6".

Remember - it's a quiet carriage, not a silent carriage.

Oh Ffs. For those offended by the very mention is class, it was only £15 extra and I'm not particularly well off. It's really not all that expensive. . I've moved to a different coach to avoid any further offense to the rude woman. And of course I can take a child to a quiet zone. We weren't talking loudly by any means. Again, the sign clearly indicated no phones or unnecessary noise. (Honestly we were not being loud or talking excessively).

But the OP hasn't been put there because there's no other seats has she? She's chosen to sit there.

Bluegill - why did you choose to sit in the quiet zone if you didn't want to be quiet? Genuinely - not being arsey. I wouldn't ever choose to sit in the quiet zone with a child or even with anyone else really. I sit there to work

OP - I believe you. You were playing hangman FFS, not Cheat or some bawdy drinking game.

Because 'quiet zone' does not mean 'silent zone' Odd. It means conversation and loud noise kept to a minimum. A quiet game of hangman is in keeping with that - and the OP has already explained it was a quiet game.

The other woman was incredibly rude - and lacked the courage to direct her ignorant comment to the OP, I notice. How pathetic.

I love first class and expect peace and quiet there.

Odd, I like the quiet zone and it didn't occur to me that conversation would be out of place. we're mother and near teenage child so really not a great deal of noise going on, he's mostly busy on his hand helds (on silent) and I've been on my phone mostly. we played one game of hangman on my phone. That was it. In my opinion the woman was unnecessarily unreasonable and rude.

Quiet to me means occasional conversation. Not a game which relies on constant VERBAL guessing of letters/words. I think you've misunderstood the Debretts guide you quoted SirChenjin. It's fairly clear that letters being hissed every 10 seconds doesn't really qualify as quiet.

Although I entirely agree it was cowardly of the other passenger not to speak to the OP.

I'd say something rude to her. If she wants you to be quiet she should approach the parent and not tell the child to shut up.

It might be a Sunday but some people have been working and can hear the bollocks chit chat even over my quiet headphones. I sit in the quiet coach for a reason.

EVERY journey I hear people say "IM ON THE TRAIN", text them, please. It's so tedious.

I would be irritated by someone playing hangman, I occasionally travel first class when I have to leave at 0500, those who get on hours later full of beans can fuck off if they want to play games. I'm due in court hours later, you're going to the natural history museum. Your games can wait. grumpy old cunt

Arla, I like peace and quiet too but you cannot expect complete silence. I'm very mindful of being considerate of others. I've moved now not for the ride woman's enjoyment but so we can relax. There's an elderly man listening to loud music on his headphones a few seats down. He won't be complaining any time soon .

No, I haven't misunderstood the Debretts link Odd. Mobile phones and loud conversation - it's fairly straightforward.

Mrsmorton, you said it . We were playing phone hangman. It requires next to no dialogue!!!! If you want complete silence, put ear plugs in.

It's public transport! If you want silence hire your own bloody train .

Agree Ubik. Some people don't seem to comprehend the difference between quiet and silent - which is why there is a move to do away with them.

Ubik . I agree entirely!

I read that as implying that they expect their readers to understand that means that conversations aren't really acceptable. Reading between the lines and that.

OP - hope you enjoy the hangman now you're not worried about the rude woman. :)