Aibu too not understand the reaction of the Ferguson Michael Brown in the USA

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My Dh thinks that it is a disgusting example of racial inequality in America. But i think having read a lot of articles/news that the police officer was only protecting himself. Although it is unfortunate that someone so young died.

However Dh feels strongly it is disgusting racism. He called me blind and crazy (lighthearted). Aibu for thinking this.

The witnesses said he was shot in the back when running away. When ballistics showed this to be untrue they then said he had his hands up.

The police officer maintains the deceased reached with one hand to the waist of his trousers. That he didnt stop, that he didnt put his hands up and was warned he'd be shot. The officer says he was in fear of his life.

If this is true then the officer was right to shoot him. His story sounds more likely than the story changing other witnesses.

Would you get out of the car if you were the policeman and try to reason with him? I mean would you? Then who would be there to protect the public if you did get shot dead and and the shooter could then effectively shoot more victims.

Young black men are being killed for sport by police and pretend police.

White men are arming themselves with huge guns and walking into shops and restaurants to show off their rights.

The riots and disruption are understandable as a great big cry for help.

Even if the jury was all white, they still know a hell of a lot more about what happened than we do. In actual fact though, three of twelve were black - this information is widely available.
Thank you for the information, along with the passive aggressive look it up yourself.
Thank you for answering the point too, one quarter of a jury. Interesting.

Jay, this isn't Police killing for sport, this is a twat attacking a cop. then the cop defending himself.

Well Cromer two of your points are incorrect - Michael Brown hadn't just robbed a shop, the footage was doctored to show him browsing and leaving but he did pay for his item - that footage has been shown.

The police officer shot Tamir Rice within 1.5 - 2 seconds of pulling up the car. That isn't even enough time for the police officer to say "raise your hands and drop the gun" never mind for the CHILD to realise what was happening and say "it's a toy" or throw the gun away. Also the full footage of the prior hour shows that the child was just wandering around the park, making snowballs, occasionally chatting to pedestrians, speaking on his phone he was not "waving a replica gun around and scaring people".

I'm talking about the 12 year old, as it's all getting confusing posting about 2 different shootings.

It wasn't passive aggressive anything (most misappropriated phrase in history it would seem). It was merely pointing out that there's no need to wait for the information to come out, and that nothing is being hidden on that front. I'm sorry you chose to take that so personally - completely unnecessary.

Callini, I've seen footage where that kid pulls the gun out and points it.

Though I agree it seems the police shot him way too quickly after pulling up, that there couldn't have been chance for them to shout to him x3 to drop the gun like they say.

But its difficult, if the police felt in fear of their lives are they going to give him another ten seconds and risk been shot themselves?

callani obviously hypothetical but would you expect officers to give a warning if a suspect points a gun at them?

Obviously I have no idea if the boy did, but I'm interested to know what you think?

Or, in the case of the child, risk other children being shot. Again.

no I am not hysterical, I am a black woman who knows that whites like you are not fussed that black people are effortlessly killed by policemen and never brought to book for it. 12 bullets! read what the lying police officer said, he said that he felt like a 5 year old confronted by hulk Hogan. is that a reasonable thing for him to have said. if he is so frightened why was he a policeman? try reading up on murders of black men and women in America before you call me hysterical and claim that the poor little policeman was in fear of his life.

Unarmed officers go to firearms incidents frequently due to the distance that most forces cover.

Usually sent with a verbal reminder to be careful and take a look to see if firearm officers are required.

Ok, so the Michael Brown case is never going to be clear because of contradicting testimonies, but will people please just look up the footage that was just released of what happened with Tamir Rice because it isn't what the police stated at all.

The full CCTV shows that the child spent most of his time wandering the park, acting like a boy his age would, making snowballs, occasionally playing with a toy gun. At no point does he point it at people, and in fact he chats to a pedestrian in this time suggesting that his behaviour was not perceived as being intimidating by most people (with the obvious exception of the caller).

The police turned up, pulled the car up and shot Tamir with 1.5 - 2 seconds of footage. That gave them no time for negotiation, no time for Tamir to explain or even react to what was happening. He was not "waving his gun around" as the police car approached. It is the perfect example of "shoot first, ask questions later" and also shows that neither of the two police officers even attempted to administer first aid.

To my eyes it shows the trigger happy and callous attitude that these officers had towards a black youth and also shows them for liars who tried to cover up what really happened.

Why is it unreasonable for him to be frightened? I've been frightened at work and I'm a trained experienced police officer. It's a perfectly natural human emotion.

And if the first 11 bullets missed or he was still a threat then you would keep shooting.

Callani, you never answered my question. And I watched footage of him pointing it?

Whites like me (us?)? I guess that's all we need to read in that comment. Nothing I've said has indicated I don't care, but simply that I don't immediately believe either side necessarily, and have to concede that the grand jury is way better informed than either you or I. But then, I'm just a dumb white I suppose, who is clearly unworthy simply for considering possibilities and not leaping to conclusions.

Of course it is a natural human response to feel fear

But a trained police officer should know how to react without shooting someone dead because he/she felt fear unless there is no other option

And as for feeling like like a five year old he had fired his gun a number of times and he has back up and himself a very big guy, both he and Michael Brown are/were 6'4

you said it uncleT.

Territt16, how do you know MB was scum? we know that the police officer is scum, a liar and trigger happy and killed a man who he did not need to kill. black people know that the police will kill anyone with a dark skin, good or bad. all American blacks are at risk from any white person claiming that a black person is 'acting suspiciously' i.e. walking around and breathing.

did you hear about the recent case where a police officer stopped a black motorist, asked to see his license then shot him when he reached into his glove compartment to get it, complying with the officer's request?

Callani, I'm not claiming to be an expert and I apologise if I've got my facts wrong but I too have seen footage of the young lad pointing the gun around.

Michael Brown, after "leaving without paying" from the shop ran towards a police officer in an aggressive way fumbling for his gun. What do you think the police officer ought to have done?

As I've stated, my own wife is black, I am not claiming racism isn't a huge problem but I just don't think these are good examples of it.

Creighton, I think you are being disingenuous at the very least. What would YOU have done if a large person was coming towards you in an aggressive manner trying to turn your own gun on you? Are you really trying to say that isn't a threatening situation?

Exactly. He felt he had no other option.

And size is only one impact factor. I've struggled with females smaller than me, adrenaline, alcohol, drugs, desire to cause harm are all additional impact factors that an officers have to take into account.

In this circumstance, the officer was the smaller of the two.

I see - so you're an unabashed racist. Well, congratulations on that - you should be proud.

Creight you can't possibly know the Policeman concerned is a "racist liar" only your opinion.