Aibu too not understand the reaction of the Ferguson Michael Brown in the USA

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My Dh thinks that it is a disgusting example of racial inequality in America. But i think having read a lot of articles/news that the police officer was only protecting himself. Although it is unfortunate that someone so young died.

However Dh feels strongly it is disgusting racism. He called me blind and crazy (lighthearted). Aibu for thinking this.

creighton guilty of what?

How am I example of what is wrong with the police? I have pointed out several times that those with full facts with the case are better placed to come to a decision. Is that a bad thing suddenly?

I've been telling you all afternoon Creighton. That there is racism in society, that people are more scared of black men, thinking they may be violent, have a gun whatever. But that there's a difference between someone who has picked up on this due to everything in the media, etc and then acts out of genuine (if misplaced) fear and someone who happily kills a black guy.

I do think there's a possibility of that having happened. Though reading the autopsy report, witness statements and ballistics evidence I think its unlikely. I do think that anyone who tries to wrestle a gun off an armed officer and then runs back to him in an aggressive manner is likely to be shot no matter what their skin colour is.

But there's no point going over this with you. You will just say I'm clueless and racist.

It seems sad that she assumes all those who dare to disagree with or report her must automatically be white, ignoring that some black people may well be equally dismayed at her attitude

Yes.

mm, 7 shots is a lot. .. but I don't know exactly how threatened the police officer felt.

I can kind of understand the reaction from the black community. .. even if this young man behaved really badly and was threatening, it still looks like prejudice.

I worked with someone (in a local community project) who was stopped and searched at least three times a month - he was young, rastafarian, with lovely long dreadlocks, a great youth worker and a famous dj. He was squeaky clean, teetotal, never smoked. .. He joined a police panel trying to educate police officers about prejudice, but he still got searched nearly every week (I worked in the same building, lived in the same street, was never searched once, despite being nothing like so clean-living at the time).

Maybe the riots are more about a general distrust of the American police than about this one incident?

Creighton, I don't need to report you to whoever I like, I simply need to report you to MNHQ for that last post, which Ive done, and Im going nowhere thanks. There's debate and there's plain lies. Nothing hysterical about doing that.

Oh dear, think I missed a few pages of this thread!!

I often notice that a thread about racist issues will often become about posters going out of their way to prove they have no racist feelings when it may have been pointed out that they are coming across that way or offended

so in other words it is derailed, by whom the people with the louder voice

it is always a great tactic to down play an issue

I feel moved to come on this thread in support of Creighton. I agree with all that you have said. But you are facing a thick thick wall of covert racism so entrenched and unrecognised and denied. Until white people will learn to just shut tfu and listen to the people that experience this day in day out. Of course each incident can be picked apart and explained away, that's the problem with institutionalised and covert racism.

You really think an unarmed black man charged at an armed policeman? Really?

Freudian do you mean me?

My main issue to this whole situation is that it's automatically perceived to be a racist issue. If it had been a black officer who shot him, or a white person who was shot then would there be riots and disagreement?

But because it's a white man who shot a black man = immediate racist.

Why are you trying to silence a black poster in a discussion about racism??

Shouldn't that sentence be " you really think a unarmed man charged at an armed policeman? Really?"

I think the forensic evidence probably tells no lies.

Yeah, most white people only accept a racist motivation, if all other options have been exhausted. Its usual

mwalimu is that question about silencing a poster directed at me or another poster?

At no point on this thread have I stated my ethnicity or indeed my views on MB, and the Policeman. I have no doubt the American Police Force is steeped in institutionalized racism actually.

No, Black men specifically know the dangers of policemen

There were some link at the beginning of the thread that illustrated this well, for people who haven't experienced it

the police have the full facts of the case. are the police always honest though? do they always present the full facts of a case to the public? when anyone is shot/killed by the police here in London people have to take a deep breath, listen to the police version then wait for the truth to come out e.g. ian Tomlinson, jean Charles de menezes etc

you want us to believe that the people of ferguson should automatically believe 'the grand jury'. why should they when they have previous experience of police action, grand juries, biased judges, laws that are written to penalise blacks more than whites?

Why are you trying to silence a black poster in a discussion about racism??

It would be helpful if you could state who you are addressing this to. If it is me then I am by no means trying to silence anyone - are you saying a black poster can discuss racism and tell lies about another poster (who you have no clue what their background is) without the poster getting annoyed about this? If it was directed towards someone else then I apologise.

So creighton if you think like that then any conviction is unsound in your view? Any murder, assault, rape etc where a jury has decided on someone's guilt.

You can't agree with the judicial system at all then?

It always happens tinkerbell

I was not talking about anyone in particular

but we are very subtlety (or maybe not so) told that being white is superior, a white voice is louder and can drown out a black voice

we are often not even aware of it as it is ingrained in our society, but too many times I have seen a poster who is black/asian or muslim come on and question posters responses and they are dismissed because we seem far more uncomfortable being confronted and questioned about prejudice views we may harbour than actually dealing with the issue itself

so it becomes I am not racist thread rather than dealing with the actual issue which is far more important is it not

Despite disagreements, the only suggestion I've seen on here that anyone should actually be silenced is this: Until white people will learn to just shut tfu and listen to the people that experience this day in day out

Interesting ...

I have not lied on this thread. my only mistake was to have deleted the posts from mnhq when I was reported for being horrible to white posters. I don't lie, I am not so invested in anyone here or their opinions that I need to lie to anyone here.

I have received pms today from people who are horrified by the posts on this thread. no doubt you think I am lying about that too as you feel that no one can disagree with you

mwalimu the racism is not covert it is overt you can read it here

Can you answer my last question about juries please?

but we are very subtlety (or maybe not so) told that being white is superior, a white voice is louder and can drown out a black voice

Then there's no point me carrying on on this thread is there? As anything I say will simply be me saying (according to you) that white people are superior and trying to shut any black posters up.

Sounds to me like you're trying to drown white posters out with that statement.

Right. Who has been racist on this thread? Name them.