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to ask for your help drafting an email to MIL?

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newpaddingtonscaresme · 25/11/2014 00:43

Back story is, we moved here from my home country 4 years ago. We live in a different city to my inlaws, mil and stepfather in law, a plane ride or about 10 hours drive away. We see them for a week about 4 times a year.

We have been to them for Christmas twice and they have been to us once.

Last time they came to us was two years ago. From my point of view it was a disaster. I thought they basically felt they were hosting Christmas in my house and I was the guest.

When they arrived they started bringing bags and bags of groceries in, we hadn't asked them to pick anything up and we had already done the grocery shopping. MIL started telling me what we were going to have for Christmas dinner. I said we'd already decided.

They then went back out to the car and into our bedroom, they were in there deciding where to put a new rug they'd brought down....without asking us. They also put rugs & carpets in other area of the house and put away utensils and some other little things they'd bought for our house.

They then proceeded to put up decorations they'd brought down.

They also bought our son presents from them and Santa after we told them Santa presents were only to come from us.

To me, they just walked around and pissed in every corner marking their territory.

My husband was at work at the time and to my shame I didn't say anything, I was stunned at the cheek of them and have been brought up to be polite so felt I'd be rude to say anything. Truthfully, I was a coward as I hate confrontation.

They stayed for two weeks and I was just full of pent up silent resentment and passive aggressive.

We had just moved to the area and I didn't know anyone to escape to have a drink or vent to.

One day I came home and all the pots and pans had been re-arranged and moved to a different cupboard.

My husband didn't get why I was in such a bad mood and catered to their every whim to make up for it.

My husband's defense of all this was:

the food and expectation that they'd dictate what we'd have - well, when he was growing up, his grandmother would come and do that, they didn't want us to spend any extra money on them.

the rugs etc - well, we were just starting out in a new house and they wanted to help us out, rented houses here don't come furnished so they wanted to save us money.

the decorations - well, some of them were from his childhood and since we hadn't spent Christmas with them in so long his mom just got overexcited. (We'd spent the previous Christmas with them)

He says his mom loves us and really wants to be involved and is only ever trying to help.

I already have some issues with his mom and her steeping over boundaries i.e doing something with ds that I've asked not to. Things have gotten better of late, I've stood up for myself more and they've backed off a bit.

DH doesn't think they ever do anything wrong, they're only ever guilty of being over-enthusiastic and I'm too quick to think the worst of them.

Another element to this is, whenever they come, they sit and badmouth every single other person in the family. They reserve most of it for DH's brother, who hasn't been to visit them since they married and moved here 20 years ago.

Soooo, thanks for getting this far. They're coming for two weeks again this year, I'll be 33 weeks pregnant and it's our first Christmas in a house we built.

I'm determined to make this one better...for everyone but it will involve me having to woman up and say what I want instead of hoping they get it and then getting pissed off when they don't.

I'm in an email exchange with MIL at the moment about presents and feel it's my chance to kindly set some boundaries. They've already told us, not asked, when they're coming regardless of any plans we may have and I'm already feeling unreasonably angry about this. I think two weeks is too long. DH of course has said that's all fine, whatever they want is good with us.

They moved DH from his home country, away from his dad and brother, to here when he was 15 and then when he was 18 moved back to the home country while he stayed here before he moved to UK where he met me and stayed for a few years. They moved back here while DH was in UK. Up until 4 years ago they had lived in different countries for 15 years.

I basically want to say, we're looking forward to seeing you, please don't feel you have to bring anything down apart from presents, with the pregnancy we want to have a relaxed few weeks and we are look own family traditions in the new house.....but I want to be a bit more assertive.

Sorry for the long post, I'm quite irritable with this pregnancy and every email I start to them comes across confrontational. They do love ds and are very good grandparents.

Thanks if you've got this far!

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HSMMaCM · 25/11/2014 20:19

If they bring food, eat it on other days and have what you like for Christmas. Ensure decorations are up before they come. Ask on the phone about not bringing Santa presents. Ignore random rugs and remove when they leave. Put any moved objects back where you want them.

Count to 10 before reacting to anything. Worth asking them to bring a specific food item, in case it stops them bringing the whole meal ??

chaya5738 · 25/11/2014 20:21

This post makes me weep. We live 10,000 miles away from our family and spend every xmas without family around. We spend every day without any sort of help from family. I can't remember the last time someone popped around with food or babysat so DH and I could go out.

I would love it if MIL turned up with groceries and took over xmas. I would be thrilled.

Mintyy · 25/11/2014 20:41

Well now.

I am usually on the side of the mil on these threads but in this case, op, I'm entirely on yours Grin.

I find it very odd that people are saying you should pick your battles here, as afaic everything she did is just plain unacceptable without exception.

Bringing rugs and Christmas decorations - WTAF?

Rearranging cupboards??

Someone needs to be completely honest with her. Her motivation may have been kind (so can be acknowledged) but everything else is unhinged behaviour and entirely unacceptable.

Mintyy · 25/11/2014 20:42

Seriously? People would put up with visitors rearranging things in their own houses?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 25/11/2014 20:58

Chaya - it's not about helpful family turning up and doing things that the daughter in law genuinely finds acceptable - it is in-laws turning up, ignoring everything that is asked of them, and taking over their son and daughter in law's home, as if their views mean absolutely nothing.

Imagine you had gone to lots of effort planning your family's Christmas - you have planned a menu you will all enjoy, put up decorations just where you want them, and are looking forward to the day - and then someone arrives and puts up a load of decorations you don't want, throws out your carefully planned menu, and insists on you cooking what she's bought. And she ignores the traditions you are trying to build up with your baby! And then she rearranges your kitchen cupboards without asking. Would you still be happy with this?

What you want is part of a normal healthy relationship with your in-laws - it is the relationship I have with my lovely MIL - most times when she's been up to stay, she has offered help in the kitchen, and has either insisted on taking us all out for a meal, or has cooked us a meal at home - but she does it in a way that makes me feel she knows it is dh's and my house and she is a guest - much loved, family, and so welcome, of course.

What the OP's MIL did was, as others have said, basically marking her territory - showing the OP that she has no respect for her or her dh or their family - it is a toxic way of behaving, and I would certainly not be happy about someone treating me, or dh or our home in such a disrespectful way.

nohysteriahere · 25/11/2014 22:27

I agree about the dhs being blinded by fog.

Dh, ds1 and I were out shopping for a bed for ds1. Ds1 found a bed and mattress that matched his needs. Dh says "That mattress is too soft for when mum comes and stays".
My response was " we are not buying a bed for your mum" followed by a rant. The poor man in the bed shop!

Ds was told by me to "for gods sake when you have kids bloody well put them first, not bloody me" [oops]

Ds1 got his bed Grin

bensam · 25/11/2014 22:45

This may well be simply that they see DH as an extension of them, so his house is their house. And DH is only a boy and won't know how to do any of this so they'll do it all like they always do, and they'll sort his girlfriend out in the process.

^ yep. Spot on. I had this when we were younger. Showed them a house we were thinking of buying. MIL brought a pad and pen to write down all the things that needed sorting. FIL brought a tape measure and started measuring up the rooms. Later that day we were presented with a scale drawing and cardboard furniture so we could 'plan' where we were going to put the sofa etc. I kid you not! MIL then got the huff with me because I didn't seem interested after being told to 'sit and plan'! They also made a secret appointment to view the house again so they have a further snoop round and apparently was narky with estate agent because they could only have 20 minutes! So many more things like that....It's been a long 20 yrs :(

newpaddingtonscaresme · 25/11/2014 22:52

Hi all, thanks for your input.

I've had a chat with my dh, turns out he's already spoken to his mum about some things. He's told them that this year he wants a relaxed Christmas, since newpaddington is pregnant we'll just be doing something really simple and there's no need for them to make a fuss or bring anything down like last time. He's also told them if they want to get us anything for the new house to just get us vouchers as we're excited to decorate ourselves.

So that's good!! We'll see if they listen to him.

Someone said upthread that they see him as an extension of him and I think that's right, they truly think they know what's best for him and us.

They lived in separate countries since he was 18 up until a few years ago (he's 38 now) and I don't think they really see him as an adult. This isn't helped by him never saying no to them until now.
He does find them overbearing but avoids contact and conflict with them rather than simply saying 'no that doesn't suit us, thank you'

Thanks again, I'll prob be back when I have the baby! They want to come down for a few weeks around the due date but I've asked dh to tell them it suits us better to just come down for a night when the baby's born and come down for a few days a few weeks later when we're settled.

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serin · 25/11/2014 22:57

Could it be that she is just not the brightest fairy light on the tree?

Most people understand boundaries but it really sounds as if she has no comprehension of social norms. My mum is lovely but she once turned up here with a ball pool and a trampoline as gifts for the children, literally a van full! The more plastic and vividly coloured the better as far as she is concerned. She also brings a ton of food whenever she visits, more thn we can possibly eat. But I know her and she is genuinely just trying to help. Drives me mad though!

Have you written your email yet?

Dear MIL
We are really looking forward to entertaining you over Christmas and are just finalising the plans. We have sorted the menu so don't think you will need to bring anything at all. Just your lovely selves (vom) Grin

serin · 25/11/2014 22:58

Ah, cross posts, hope that sorts it and good luck with the baby.

newpaddingtonscaresme · 25/11/2014 23:06

omg bensam that is nuts! How have you coped for 20 years, did you ever blow up at them?

When we were sorting mortgage out for this house, they expected us to email all the offers and paperwork to them so they could advise us....nope.

They also wanted to help us out by giving us some money and having their names on the deeds, of course 'with no strings attached' I'm so grateful we refused that.

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NancyDroop · 25/11/2014 23:06

OP I could have written your post myself. My MIL makes me feel the same way.

When she comes round I suddenly feel like a guest, which is incredibly frustrating and also quite an unnerving intrusion.

"They are just trying to help" is one of the worst excuses for bad behaviour in my book. I think as adults we should recognise that we are not free to just "try to help" with whatever we want without considering whether that help is welcome or indeed helpful.

I think lurking within the category of "just trying to help" are many actions done for many different reasons, many quite unrelated to actually making the recipient's life easier.

OP, if it helps, I am slowly getting my DH to understand that these things aren't ok, that it is much better to set boundaries for our new family than pander to the old ways. It takes time and lots of calm conversations (through gritted teeth) but the balance of power can shift.

YY to communications that frankly and cheerfully state, "no don't bring that" coupled with "it would be lovely if you could help by" so everyone can feel that they are winning.

Also I've found it very comforting to read advice from Attila and others (I am a massive lurker on the NMIL threads, might even start one soon). There are lots of "what's the big deal?" responses to these threads and I like that Attila calls it out. It is not ok because it is making you feel bad.

Let me know if there is anything more I can do to help, said the bull in the china shop...Grin

newpaddingtonscaresme · 25/11/2014 23:08

I read somewhere 'just trying to help is the sunny side of just trying to control' and it struck a chord so much in dealing with MIL

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ZenNudist · 25/11/2014 23:21

They do sound very controlling. I'm glad you aren't thrashing it out over email. Still I'd hate to go somewhere for two weeks if the food wasn't to my taste. But I'd just never force myself on someone for that long, for the precise reason that I would not expect my host to do everything my way.

NancyDroop · 25/11/2014 23:34

We also had the offer of house money / name on deeds "no strings attached"*

*(ok a whole web of control crazy bad behaviour attached, emotional blackmail as standard, but we're only trying to help...)

LittleBearPad · 26/11/2014 10:35

Glad DH has spoken to her. I hope it works. They sound very difficult. And the mortgage thing is mad.

lljkk · 26/11/2014 10:57

Go to work every day of your visit & leave your DH to play host.

If you don't have a paid job, go get a temporary volunteer one.

OnlyLovers · 26/11/2014 11:06

Well, that sounds good. I hope they listen!

They want to come down for a few weeks around the due date Shock
Your DH needs to nip THAT in the bud right now. A few weeks? They're nuts.

SassySugarCane · 26/11/2014 11:17

The rug thing being a gift would be fine. But deciding where they should go would be up to the giftee. My MIL brings my children clothes/shoes etc sometimes, she doesn't sit and dress them. Thats up to me when I want them to wear them.

I'm not making as much sense as I hoped haha

Thumbwitch · 26/11/2014 11:34

Oh I do hope your DH's message to them works. But if it doesn't, then you definitely have to put a block on them coming "for a few weeks around the birth" of your baby - NO WAY!

And I say that as someone who did have MIL come to stay for 6w around the birth of DS1 - and she was very helpful but I still found it extremely stressful, especially as DH was being a complete knobend and suggesting that I should do more to entertain his mum, both at 42 weeks pg and after coming home from hospital. Luckily she also told him to stop being a knobend (well, not quite in those words but...) Grin

AlPacinosHooHaa · 26/11/2014 11:38

just trying to help is the sunny side of just trying to control

Yes, totally. And its so much harder to say no thakns when they are only trying to help.

anyway your on the right path ,your dh has spoken to them, but please before baby due make sure this time you see them you make it clear, very clear who is boss.

Joke, laugh....challange " wow darling, I think your mum thinks your in nappies still, MIL your not going to be popping him on the changing mat are you?"

Meerka · 26/11/2014 19:20

newpaddington ... christmas is an early practise for what they're going to be like when your baby is born.

Warn your husband.

You must, must get the boundaries down and clear now becuase to have them taking over your new baby - and from the sound of it they will try- would ruin permanently a time that can't be replaced.

If they're going to flounce, let them flounce now. Don't have this battle when you have a new baby and a million hormones. And get them to stay in a hotel when your little one is born. Not with you.

newpaddingtonscaresme · 27/11/2014 00:20

Thanks, yes I'm looking at Christmas as my chance to lay some boundaries.

I've told DH that they can come down to see baby when he/she is born for a night and then wait a few weeks before coming down for a weekend once we've settled.

I really hope they listen to DH about Christmas, I don't want the stress, hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised.

When replying to an email she sent I just said as an aside 'we are looking forward to decorating our new house and creating our own little family traditions at our first Christmas in * St.'

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BoomBoomsCousin · 27/11/2014 09:11

I think you need to either be a lot more up front about what you want or not mention it at all. A sentence like 'we are looking forward to decorating our new house and creating our own little family traditions at our first Christmas' when talking to them about them coming down could easily be read as an invitation to bring things that would 'help' with that.

newpaddingtonscaresme · 27/11/2014 10:07

DH has already told them not to bring anything and that we want to decorate the new place ourselves

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