To not want my Grandchild to hunt?

[salsmum]

I am very much into animal rescue and hate to see cruelty against humans AND animals. DIL is pregnant with my 1st Grandchild which I'm obviously very excited about, I texted her today to ask how she was and how DS and 'bump' are and she said she was fine...etc.. and then excited tells me that her Nephew aged just a month into his 8th year is going out on his first hunt . Her family are country people and my DS will be moving to the country once GC comes along. I really hate the thought of any child going hunting especially my GC because I think it's not something a child should see nor be encouraged to take part in. My DIL knows my feelings on animal cruelty and feel upset that she should mention 'the hunt' to me (in an excited-so proud of DN way).

Or just in the UK where it's foxes and deer and there are perceived class issues around the hunt? Genuinely want to know

It is the CA who keeping rolling out the old chestnut of class issues and like the sheep they are this is churned out by the hunt fraternity along with the rest of the predictable dross.
Hunters come from all backgrounds.
Those who oppose hunting with hounds come from all backgrounds

End of story.

YANBU, I object to anyone hunting.

Sorry I haven't read all of the thread.

If your grandson is just 8, then wouldn't he be going on an 'all comers' or (even more probably) a children's hunt?

Which is essentially an opportunity for inexperienced children and horses/ponies to ride out with the hounds and huntsmen and experience the atmosphere? There are no foxes involved. The course being safe (no jumping routes as required etc) for all. People around to lead the horses if required and take kids back to the start if needed.

DD has done it twice, one very recently. Dpony hadn't done it before and was quite a handful with excitement (they all get hyper, it's very exciting for them) but that was rather the point for us, testing how dpony reacted, and therefore how DD handled her.

Pony and daughter came back black with mud, both drenched in sweat and having loved it. DD declared 'dpony was mad!!!'

So your grandson can hunt, without hunting iyswim?

dpony

Impressively sidestepped what that fun was attached to. Well done.

No anti hunter has said why they are happy to allow fishing? Do you go by how cute the animal is as to whether people can catch and harm it?

I was politely making a point. That is all. I am not sure why that necessitates an impolite response, regardless of a different opinion?

Grow up Greengrow

I'm fine with hunting and fishing. Sorry, but there it is. As long as it's done legally. That may not be popular, but I can't help that. Obviously I am familiar with both - not for sport though, at least not in that context. We've hunted and always used the animal for food.

Are you saying that we should no longer allow hunting, fishing, or eating any animal? You are aware, of course, that it's not going to happen, right?

Need
I to was expressing an opinion on dpony
It's so strange how people respond to those who enjoy engaging in and support the hunting and killing of our native wildlife. I can't understand it.
Hmmm..... Perhaps that's why I am not inclined to be particularly polite to you.

Prize for stating the bleedin' obvious goes to Alice

Oh, ok

Excellent. We agree on something

Green grow appears to have discovered a hitherto unknown 'ignore poster' button. I hope someone else reveals how it works. I can think of a few Id like to ignore.

That actually made me smile

I think fishing for sport is also cruel

Why anyone would be ok with hauling a fish out of water by its mouth, only to throw it back in again is beyond me.

I don't know if fish can feel fear or distress, but I hope not.

I remember that Antonia Forest - it was Nicola's ride home in 'Peter's Room', when everyone else had buggered off Gondalling. Must re-read for Xmas.

I'm opposed to fishing too. & transporting animals for slaughter in unpleasant conditions.

In fact, I think both of these are nastier than hunting. But I wouldn't let my dc go hunting for the same reason that I wouldn't let them tie a firework to the cat's tail - it's being cruel to a small animal for fun, which isgenerally considered antisocial behaviour.

Need

Raven isgenerally considered antisocial behaviour.

No, its not, in the same way that posting on internet sites insulting people you have never met isn't considered anti-social behaviour other than in the minds of those who disagree with that practice.

What I'm reading on here is that killing animals is fine as long as (a) its done on a massive scale, even if it involves wastage and cruelty, by people you never meet or see and (b) doesn't involve animals which are cuddly, cute, or small.

Cruelty and wastage are overlooked as long as the end product that appears in your supermarket is neatly packaged up and contains no reminders of how it got there.

Being totally impractical as to how to care for animals on a day to day basis and having any involvement in making a difference in terms of preventing cruelty is considered far less worthwhile than being able to spout anti-hunting commandments and bizarre insults on an internet site.

Thank goodness I will be doing something more productive with my weekend next week!

Thank goodness I will be doing something more productive with my weekend next week!

Will you be counting animal transporters on the M25?

Cant is there any chance you could change the broken record from Me Me Me and actually post something interesting?

In fact, will I just predict your next few posts for you, to save you the bother:

" Nasty Chelsy said something nasty. She is stupid/evil/nasty."

"Nasty hunting toffs. "

Can we just cut to the chase? You basically want everyone to be the same as you, labour under some kind of delusion that you can somehow bring it about by insulting people on the internet, and think "animal rights" are a good tool for achieving that. You want attention, and to lead people, but can't actually manage it, outwith these limited parameters. But you can't even manage that.

I sincerely hope you do not go near any kind of animal in real life. I would certainly avoid letting you near any of mine.

You have not made a single post that is relevant to animal welfare or shown any kind of genuine concern for animals whatsoever.

It is, though, Chelsy.

That's why there's such popular support for the ban on hunting with dogs - ineffectual though it may be - whereas there's less outcry against the cattle trucks & battery farms.

One is seen as essentially frivolous cruelty, whereas the other is regarded as a regrettable necessity.

If you gave me the choice of putting a proper stop to just one of them in the name of reducing animal cruelty, I'd choose the factory farming, definitely, but the legislation we have strongly suggests that that isn't how the public at large see it.

You basically want everyone to be the same as you, labour under some kind of delusion that you can somehow bring it about by insulting people on the internet, and think "animal rights" are a good tool for achieving that. You want attention, and to lead people, but can't actually manage it, outwith these limited parameters. But you can't even manage that.You have not made a single post that is relevant to animal welfare or shown any kind of genuine concern for animals whatsoever

Why thank you very much I aim to please.

You basically want everyone to be the same as you, labour under some kind of delusion that you can somehow bring it about by insulting people on the internet, and think "animal rights" are a good tool for achieving that. You want attention, and to lead people, but can't actually manage it, outwith these limited parameters. But you can't even manage that.

Just are just too kind

They didn't give me any pills anywhere near as good as those last time I had an operation .

Well Raven the legislation doesn't describe hunting as "anti-social" behaviour, its you and people who presumably agree with you who are doing that. That's rather different. In fact society still tolerates hunting under conditions, which is the case with rather a lot of activities. In Scotland, its actually more popular than before the "ban", probably because of publicity. I think in a lot of cases its a battle between countryside and town, with some exceptions (such as the ex-groom, sorry I've forgotten your name with the slightly odd lack of equine experience).