To not want my Grandchild to hunt?

[salsmum]

I am very much into animal rescue and hate to see cruelty against humans AND animals. DIL is pregnant with my 1st Grandchild which I'm obviously very excited about, I texted her today to ask how she was and how DS and 'bump' are and she said she was fine...etc.. and then excited tells me that her Nephew aged just a month into his 8th year is going out on his first hunt . Her family are country people and my DS will be moving to the country once GC comes along. I really hate the thought of any child going hunting especially my GC because I think it's not something a child should see nor be encouraged to take part in. My DIL knows my feelings on animal cruelty and feel upset that she should mention 'the hunt' to me (in an excited-so proud of DN way).

I've just told you that's not true Worra.

Which part have you not understood?

What - I think you nicked that from an Antonia Forrest book...

You do know the country side is real and people actually live in it? It doesn't just exist in books, you know. I have had wonderful times with my horse, some of the best in my life. Just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean it doesn't happen in real life.

You can go thundering across the country side without the hunting bit.

Why so coy about admitting you enjoy hunting? I like riding as well. But riding does other equal hunting.

I don't think her views are weird Ilovepud. I know lots of vegetarians/people interested in animal rights, who hunt.

what absolutely right!

God I love those moments

In fact, I wonder why anyone doesn't ride. Why on earth wouldn't you?

If I could just encourage a few people to do one small thing, which doesn't really involve any effort at all, and which might one day achieve far more than taking sides on what for many is a class-based political struggle, and that would be to LOOK at the large lorries which are on the roads transporting animals to slaughter. THINK about what sort of conditions those animals are transported in? Do you think care is taken in separating them and ensuring they don't get injured, or do you think that many of them suffer on long journeys and it gets swept under the carpet? Think about their mental state, do you think they feel happy, or do you think they are terrified and shitting themselves and all over each other and trampling each other and screaming because they are terrified and don't know whats happening?

Why on earth can't we have animal welfare rules in this country that limits long distance mass transportation of animals to slaughter? The reason is so that we can have cheap supermarket meat. To me, that is far more important than hunting, it affects far more animals and its astonishing how many people calling themselves animal lovers are willing to turn a blind eye to it.

ChelsyHandy I agree with your reflections on the meat industry, I've campaigned on these issues as have many of my friends, I can't say in the course of that I've ever come across anyone who's supported fox hunting though.

Actually it's a valid point. Getting your knickers in a knot about hunting foxes seems disproportionate when so much other cruelty goes on unchecked. The treatment of animals for slaughter is beyond despicable but, because it hasn't come up for parliamentary debate been made the govs latest whipping boy people don't bother. So many people have opinions based on what is front page news not what is causing greatest harm. If you want to be all "animal rights" use your efforts where it's needed. Fox hunting is the animal equivalent of benefit bashing, yes there are problems, yes there are opinions but far worse things are going on because everyone's attention is on foxes. Live transport for slaughter was outlawed after an outcry. Now everyone's looking the other way those rules have been relaxed and we're back pretty much to square one because it's financially benefitting all sorts of rich and quietly powerful people. Tbh it never ceases to amaze me how well the propaganda machine works. Surely, by now, anyone with a brain cell should know if the machine is saying look that way >>>> that is the last direction we should be looking.

Fox hunting and the rights and wrongs of it are keeping all the animal rights people happily tied up so the real cruelty that affects far more and far worse can continue unchecked.

Hear hear TooMuch

I do actually think there is a valid argument that the emphasis on fox hunting is contributing to a lack of action on other animal welfare issues. I think for many antis, it has become an overriding and obsessive cause that has taken over all sense of perspective - some of the responses on here do make them sound like sociopaths, and I make no apology for pointing that out.

But then that makes sense, because so much animal cruelty is based on ignorance - how many "animal sanctuaries" have actually been found to be keeping animals in appalling conditions because they are overstocked/don't know how to look after them? How many pet owners don't bother to find out how to train their pets, or give them up for rehoming when they move house/have a new baby/get a new puppy? How many pet owners never bother to keep their pets in a suitable environment or exercise them enough but still have them because it suits them to have a cuddly pet to play with occasionally?

Sorry, but "not your child, not your choice". Best to stay well out of it, imho. By all means dislike hunting, but for the sake of harmonious family relationships, I think you should consider keeping your opinions to yourself unless you are actually asked to express them.

OMG - I believe someone upthread has now called riding clothes "silly clothes". it can't be true that the some antis still believe everyone wears/wore red coats! I always wore an old 2nd hand tweed myself, for practical reasons, just like jodhpurs are worn for practical reasons.

Hunters hunt for all these reasons. So do I. Is it fun? Absolutely! Do I care that much about foxes? Nope!

Perhaps the most depressing post on this thread.
Thank god you and your like are very much in the majority.

Float that sort of stupidity tells you everything you need to know about the antis motivations...

Chelsy

You assume that those who oppose hunting have no interest in other issues of animal welfare. That has more or less formed the basis of your extremely weak 'argument' throughout.

Cantbelieve You assume that those who oppose hunting have no interest in other issues of animal welfare. That has more or less formed the basis of your extremely weak 'argument' throughout.

Hi Can'tblelieve, I'm not trying to "win" any argument, so I really couldn't care less what extrapolation you take from your posts. You are pushing a political argument based on controlling people, I'm not. What you personally think of my motives is irrelevant.

Do you actually have anything beneficial to say on animal welfare, or is your goal simply to attack and alienate people?

Socially

The motivations of the antis are to ensure hunts who continue to view the Hunting Act as temporary and believe they are above the law, are closely monitored. You like to project your own levels of stupidity onto those who are always one step ahead of you are your fellow hunters.

Thank goodness for the Hunt Sabs Association.

You see it's when you come out with stuff like "some of the responses on here do make them sound like sociopaths" that makes me think your pulling our legs, some of what you write is so eloquent and reasoned and then you come out with really outrageous goady things and it makes me think 'she must be on the wind up'. I hope your convalescence is going well Chelsyhandy

I agree Cant, it is depressing.

Hence the reason I cant get my head around people who kill for thrills.

But since this thread has repeatedly been taken off on a meat industry tangent, I guess posts like that just get lost in all the stuff that has nothing to do with the OP.

Wearing red for hunting is very silly.

As is blowing horns, thundering horses and baying dogs.

Surely everything just goes to ground.

I am not anti, personally I don't give a damn about the foxes. But a bit silly to pretend it isn't a thrill to hunt something down (however badly ) and then insist the only way it can be fun is to do exactly that.

And yes, every UK hunt I have seen appears to involve silly clothes.

Lol.... a political argument?????? Attack and alienate?? (like foxes are??)
You're not the sharpest tool in the box are you Chelsy

So tell me about hunts feeding foxes..... what do you think about that then my love??

Ive seen people hunting wearing red coats here, not everyone, but they do wear them.

When people hunt, are they trespassing then? Ive seen them go through fields and on my road, but Ive never seen horses go through gardens. Am I right to assume the fields they do go through belong to farmers who are either on the hunt themselves or have agreed to let the hunt go through their fields. If they are trespassing, its very entitled isn't it?

What - I live in the countryside. That's how I know that hunts flout the law week in week out.

I was out hunting one day and three of the hunt staff pursued hounds through someone's garden and then started verbally abusing a motorist who asked them to get the hounds off the road. At that point they were on a main A road.

It is well worth watching 'A Minority Pastime'.... short film about hunting. A real eye opener but pretty brutal in places. Not for the faint hearted. Gives a valuable insight into the mentality of those who hunt.... and Chelsy is calling anti hunt posters on here sociopaths.... if the cap fits.

Both sides can dig out their propaganda

It doesn't advance the argument.