To not want my Grandchild to hunt?

[salsmum]

I am very much into animal rescue and hate to see cruelty against humans AND animals. DIL is pregnant with my 1st Grandchild which I'm obviously very excited about, I texted her today to ask how she was and how DS and 'bump' are and she said she was fine...etc.. and then excited tells me that her Nephew aged just a month into his 8th year is going out on his first hunt . Her family are country people and my DS will be moving to the country once GC comes along. I really hate the thought of any child going hunting especially my GC because I think it's not something a child should see nor be encouraged to take part in. My DIL knows my feelings on animal cruelty and feel upset that she should mention 'the hunt' to me (in an excited-so proud of DN way).

Chelsy is the Cuntryside Alliance's wet dream.

She is repeating, almost verbatim, one of the many pitifully weak 'arguments' presented by the CA and all of it's sheep supporters

Can I ask you again Worra, how do you think animals are transported to slaughter in the UK?

What does that have to do with people killing for kicks?

I can see that you are genuinely interested in animal welfare. I'm being sarcastic.

You are more interested in trying to play cod psychological warfare on an internet site. I'm not actually trying to be nasty, but you do show a few sociopathic traits, in terms of prescribing emotional functions to people in order to excuse a lack of social ability to empathise with a variety of human beings in society. But I suspect this is beyond your consideration, and I'm sure you are a good and lovely person in real life, doing lots of real stuff for animal welfare that might actually achieve something other than alienting large swathes of society...

I'm only online so much today as I'd normally be outdoors doing something a bit more worthwhile, as I'm recovering from an operation. This is not my idea of how to spend a Sunday normally!

Could you actually be more contradictory with this statement?? When the hunt are riding at speed across country why the fuck do you think they are doing this

Following a pre laid sent with drag hunting (fox scent with fox hunting). It isn't contradictory. Neither my horse or I know where the laid scent will lead us

What
Go back and read your post.

Chelsy

Priceless.

Cantbelieve Chelsy is the Cuntryside Alliance's wet dream.

I don't even live in an area where the CA has a branch.

So do you think animals arriving for slaughter with broken legs and necks and paralysed from spinal chord injuries, after being transported miles, terrified, standing on top of each other, because it suits the meat industry in this country, is of no importance, because your personal political beliefs trump everything?

And if people keep claiming to see hunts everywhere, why don't they see transporters full of terrified animals being transported to slaughter? Why on earth don't we promote smaller, more ethical local slaugtherhouses and a far more rigorous system of inspection and enforcement? Why do foxes deserve so much more attention than any other animal?

doing lots of real stuff for animal welfare that might actually achieve something other than alienting large swathes of society...

But we did.... The Hunting Act 2004
Alienating large swathes of society???..... You and your like are very much a minority my love.... thankfully.

Jesus Christ Chelsy you don't half bump your gums

Stating that people who enjoy bloodsports, get a kick out of killing animals is hardly psychological warfare.

But you carry on denying the fact they'll enjoy it unless they're being forced into it, because it's very entertaining trying to guess what you're going to type next

Hunting a human (in a drag hunt - not for meat ) would surely be more fun than hunting a fox.

Are there rules for the human or are they supposed to not get 'caught'? Humans are smarter than foxes so would be harder to catch.

Chelsy
Time to move on from the slaughter argument.
You are making yourself look like an idiot.
Cant wait to see what other crud you trot out

Cantbelieve I don't understand your problem with my post?

I was trying to explain that the thrill of hunting may well have nothing to do with liking chasing & killing things, based on my experience of drag hunting. I am led to believe drag hunting is the same as fox hunting but minus the fox bit. So I explained why drag hunting is so utterly fabulous - because it is.

One of the best moments of my life was hacking back from the hunt, high as a kite on adrenaline & port, when big fat flakes of snow started to fall on my & my horse as we both came down from our high and shared the last precious moments of daylight as dusk fell and we made our way home together through a transformed snowy landscape.

MrsDeVere whatthe it is indeed enormous fun to ride fast cross country.
People can have that experience drag hunting so why do they insist on hunting live animals?

Since you asked quite a sensible question. Personally, the three times I've hunted, I found it quite slow and controlled, with people in good control of their horses and plenty of rest stops for the horse. The one time I tried drag hunting, I found it a pointless excuse to gallop around the countryside without a lot of care (the trail is pre-set so you know there will be no hazards to slow you down). The ground was awful, in that it had had so many horses going over it at speed, it was deep and boggy and full of holes. I thought my horse might break a leg, so I stopped and went home. Never again. I guess others may have thought the same because the drag hunt closed and the hunts that existed before the ban still hunt. Riding fast across country on a horse isn't something that you actually do that often, its dangerous for the horse and takes too much out of them, unless you are very fit and experienced and have spent years preparing. And even then, you would only do it for ten or twenty minutes maybe twice a month, or you would end up with a knackered horse. And that's not somewhere I want to go. Quite possibly other drag hunts are better, it didn't appeal to me. Its perfectly possible to take a young horse hunting and never go out of a walk or slow trot at the back of the field, but that isn't possible with drag hunting.

I was trying to explain that the thrill of hunting may well have nothing to do with liking chasing & killing things

Er.... hunting IS about chasing and killing.
That is....er .....hunting....yes???

What - I think you nicked that from an Antonia Forrest book...

whats One of the best moments of my life was hacking back from the hunt, high as a kite on adrenaline & port, when big fat flakes of snow started to fall on my & my horse as we both came down from our high and shared the last precious moments of daylight as dusk fell and we made our way home together through a transformed snowy landscape.

They go everywhere by car and they're more interested in controlling humans than animal welfare, they don't understand things like enjoying the countryside and seeing it as a working environment, or bonding with your animal through shared experiences in that environment. They will never have those sorts of experiences...what they will have is a legacy of lots of posts on internet sites instead!

I am beginning to suspect that ChelsyHandy is indeed bored recuperating and is just on a wind up mission this afternoon. I find it hard to believe that someone would be actively involved in animal rights campaigning around the meat industry whilst coming out with the views she has done about foxhunting, it's just too incongruent.

Really not buying that the thrill people get out of hunting isn't due to the hunting and killing.

As I have said my family hunt (though we just call it 'going shooting') and there absolutely is a thrill to it and as our version doesn't involve fancy horses and silly clothes I am pretty sure it doesn't come from racing over the countryside.

Same old same old claptrap, every time hunting is mentioned, it's ridiculous.

Posters opposed to hunting have no idea what riders might get out of it. Fine, but admit it.

I have no idea what anyone gets out of football but I can see that plenty of people seem to enjoy it. I imagine the reasons behind that are numerous.

Hunting is great fun, of course it is. If it wasn't then it wouldn't be as popular.

Hunting is also great fittening work for horses who specialise in other disciplines, it's good for training and keeps horses fresh - they love thundering across country as much as the riders.

It's also social, and has a lot of invested meaning as a countryside tradition for those who follow it.

Of course it served the purpose of keeping the fox population down too, but even before the ban it wasn't unusual for a hunt to end the day without having caught a fox.

Hunters hunt for all these reasons. So do I. Is it fun? Absolutely! Do I care that much about foxes? Nope!

I still have a great day whether a fox is killed or not. So I don't do it in a fit of thigh rubbing, bloodthirsty glee

Some of you really need to get out more (and go hunting )

Choose your battles OP.

This isn't one of them.

It's her and your sons baby and if they choose to hunt you can silently disagree with it but nothing can stop them.

Morloth you are simply wrong. Racing across the countryside is marvellous

ILovePud I don't find chelsys views odd at all. It reflects the views of many people I know who hunt.

You're damned right I'm bored ILovePud (its better than saying I've got a half healed oozing wound in my groin) but I am not on a wind up mission. I find it sad that challenging people's views is seen as a wind up mission.

Slaughter in this country is certainly not always done as it should be in respect to animal welfare laws. I campaign specifically for safer animal transportation to slaughter, as its one area I feel I can make a difference, trying to ensure that the lead up to slaughter is as close as possible to the animal not knowing it is going to happen as possible, and I would like to see that written into legislation and enforced. At the moment, we have good animal welfare laws which are not enforced. I absolutely do not align myself to animal rights, but to animal welfare.

Its very hard to find evidence of cruel slaughter practices in this country, because slaughterhouses are all too aware of it, but this has been doing the rounds recently and does relate to yet another turning a blind eye to real animal cruelty.

This place has been closed down, but its just the tip of the iceberg, it really should not have been happening in the UK in 2013:

Posters opposed to hunting have no idea what riders might get out of it. Fine, but admit it.

Hunting is great fun, of course it is. If it wasn't then it wouldn't be as popular.

Well there you go ^^

Posters who oppose blood sports do know what riders get out of it.

They get enjoyment and fun from killing.

I don't know why you think that's not clear to many people?