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Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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DuelingFanjo · 11/11/2014 11:04

seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

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EveDallasRetd · 18/11/2014 13:53

Yes that's it Fanjo. Well worth a read, she has torn his post to pieces. No wonder it was withdrawn huh? Smile

prh47bridge · 18/11/2014 13:57

Chunderella - I don't see that in Gilhooly's article. It may be in the full text - I've only seen the extract reproduced on the BBC website. The strongest I can see there is, "Maybe he is guilty or perhaps he's innocent, none of us knows for sure". Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see that as saying there is an arguable miscarriage of justice, just that the criminal justice system does not provide certainty.

LineRunner - Yes, I agree. That part of his comments is at best poorly worded, at worst downright offensive.

DuelingFanjo - I hope that wasn't aimed at me.

MyEmpireOfDirt · 18/11/2014 14:01

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prh47bridge · 18/11/2014 14:01

Chunderella - Having now seen the item linked by DuelingFanjo which has the full text I see what you mean. The BBC report doesn't really give a proper impression of the article.

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Wolfbasher · 18/11/2014 14:21

Fantastic link to the Eve article, thanks.

Bulbasaur · 18/11/2014 14:22

When it comes to making money, any crime is excused. It's not just rape.

One of our (American) football players was involved in DV and kicked off the team. But if he was a high ranking player who pulled more weight in the games, you can bet there would be a PR campaign to keep him in and soften his image. Happened with Micheal Vick.

Greed sadly outweighs any crime these idiots commit.

Chunderella · 18/11/2014 14:26

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LineRunner · 18/11/2014 14:39

Sorry I don't mean 'his client', do I, I should just have said 'CE'.

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limitedperiodonly · 18/11/2014 15:10

Whenever I hear Clive Stafford-Smith being interviewed on a personal basis, like on Desert Island Discs, I strongly suspect that we wouldn't be friends.

Neither do I like some of the people he represents.

But I'm glad he exists.

I had similar thoughts on Shrien Dewani and the lawyers fighting what was ultimately a failed bid against extradition to South Africa.

Whatever happened to Anni Dewani in that taxi that night, I have grave misgivings about turning someone over to a system where a senior police officer felt free before trial, let alone verdict, to call him a 'monkey' who 'tried to trick us.'

He was definitely called a monkey. I'm paraphrasing with the tricking reference but it was something like that.

The officer was black, btw. I've no idea whether the monkey taunt was a racial reference or just that he considered Shrien Dewani to be a tricky individual.

But I was shocked because no senior police officer would say anything like that in Britain.

The Dewani trial has dropped out of the news but last time I heard of it, the judge had refused to hear idle speculation on his sexuality and therefore alleged motive for bumping off his wife.

So IMHO the judge was doing a good job last time I looked.

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limitedperiodonly · 18/11/2014 15:21

I guess Stafford-Smith might not like some of the people he represents either. But it's his job to represent them to the best of his ability and I admire him for taking that responsibility seriously. Because in the absence of obscene wealth, no one else is going to do it.

Neverbuyheliumbalonz · 18/11/2014 15:24

Stuart Gilhooley admitted he hadn't read the facts of the case?! So has he taken back what he said in that ridiculous blog then? And he is a solicitor?! What a plonker!

This is the second time I have seen the 'oh well she can't remember it so why did she bother persuing it' argument in a blog, both written by blokes. So if a man woke up with no recollection of the night before and then someone later told him that they had put a dildo up his bum, that man wouldn't feel in the least bit violated because, ya know, he can't remember it...

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limitedperiodonly · 18/11/2014 16:04

the UK doesn't necessarily have much of a moral high ground

I agree. And I also take your point about media training for police officers and people in other walks of life. But for whatever reason, it has become unacceptable in the UK to express negative opinions about race.

I think that on balance that is a good thing. I wish the same could be said about discrimination and casual abuse about women.

It is also arguably unacceptable to express racist opinions in football after the FA's Kick It Out campaign.

Although clubs still defend it if they want to hold on to someone of the calibre of Luis Suarez who called Patrice Evra the Spanish term for 'little n***'.

Actually, WTF? There is no English term for little n'. It's fucking racist.

I believe that if Evans had been convicted of a racially-aggravated assault there would have absolutely no consideration of coming back for him.

But rape? That's okay. That's what lads do on a Saturday night isn't it? It's not rape, is it? Especially when it's footballers who could have their pick of girls, which I believe was one of Evans's excuses Hmm

He's a decent player for the first division (which is the third division in old money) but he's not Wales's Suarez by a long chalk.

Not that I think that the fans or the directors and club officials think racism is bad, but it's just what they have to sign up to these days. It's probably quite baffling and inconvenient for them and they're buggered if they're going to give any more ground to the feminists and the poofs.

I'd like to put the N word in full btw, just like I'd use cunt to describe a term of abuse, but I'd probably get reported for deletion in this topsey-turvey world that is MN and I'd probably be deleted.

What colour is the sky in the world of a majority women's website where people can use cunt as a form of abuse but can't say n*** in context?

I'd like not to be deleted for using the word poof, btw. I hope everyone sees that I used in irony, not abuse.

Neverbuyheliumbalonz · 18/11/2014 16:06

I think many men do not understand that it would be the same, and that them waking up and finding that they'd been anally raped is equivalent to what happened. They view women as being there for sex so unwanted sex is an inconvenience for a woman, but actually not that different to wanted sex and not that bad.

Yes and it also subscribes to the idea that if a woman has had sex with one man, then she is automatically fair game, and will want to have sex with, any man.

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limitedperiodonly · 18/11/2014 16:13

Stuart Gilhooley admitted he hadn't read the facts of the case?! So has he taken back what he said in that ridiculous blog then? And he is a solicitor?!

Neverbuyheliumbalonz You don't have to be Atticus Finch to be a lawyer or Petrocelli.

It was one of my reasons for deciding against the law to my current career choice. I have very high standards Wink

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