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Ched Evans Should NOT be allowed to train at Sheffield United !! Wales next?

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DuelingFanjo · 11/11/2014 11:04

seriously?
I am absolutely appalled. I really really hope this doesn't mean he will ever play for Wales. I will definitely be taking part in some kind of protest if that happens.

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LineRunner · 17/11/2014 18:11

And bloody right the club finally had a bright light shone onto its attitudes.

It is a deserved irony that the club has let CE do so much damage to it. His fans are reaping what they sowed.

chockbic · 17/11/2014 18:12

Why would you want your daughter to see a rapist? Let alone give him a job. The mind boggles.

YonicScrewdriver · 17/11/2014 18:25

Because they genuinely 100% don't believe his actions make him a rapist.

BeyondTheLimits · 17/11/2014 18:26

My DH was wondering, does anyone here know... Surely rather than helping The Rapist Chedwyn Evans by letting him train with them, S.U should be looking into suing him for breaking his contract by popping into prison? I mean, i guess that isnt possible, but you'd think they'd at least be angry at him, not helping him when they have no reason to? Iyswim?

HotDogJumpingFrogAlburquerque · 17/11/2014 18:26

This would have been a great and brave statement/gesture a week ago.

Still, better than not jumping on the bandwagon at all, I guess

BeyondTheLimits · 17/11/2014 18:29

Dh has just said ph has been out of the country on tour til this week. Might go towards explaining the delay?

YonicScrewdriver · 17/11/2014 18:39

HotDog, I don't care that it takes some longer than others.

Billy Bragg came out in support over the weekend etc. It takes a lot to decide if you want to stick your head above the parapet, what you want to say in your statement etc. Do you want to vote something down from
Within or quit? Do you want to go quietly or make a statement? Do you think the good decisions your club has made counteract this bad decision? Do you want to wait and hope that they make the right call (still no official announcement)? Etc.

TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 17/11/2014 19:15

I'm not feeling the same sentiment re heatons statement when compared to others. It's the belief that CE still has the right to return to football just not at my club bit that lets the gesture down. And the reference to CE letting the club down - that just sounds so meh about what he's been convicted of. It's hardly an equivocal condemnation of the fact he raped someone.

I can't decide if he's tried to remain neutral & failed or if he's just not 'got it' re the gravity of his actions/conviction as he's just thinking about his club/football in general.

YonicScrewdriver · 17/11/2014 19:24

I think PH believes that football should not be excluded to sex offenders BUT that to walk straight back into a high profile job in the same place is wrong. maybe PH is envisioning CE going to a lower tier club (say equivalent to a magic circle lawyer who was debarred, saying they should take up a position advising legal aid cases - realise this is probably not allowed but I think he might be getting at this)

YonicScrewdriver · 17/11/2014 19:25

That was badly phrased.

It would have been quicker to say PH might think CE should work his way back up again.,.

BeyondTheLimits · 17/11/2014 19:40

Well we dont want him at newport county!

HenriettaTurkey · 18/11/2014 10:28

Are you kidding me with this?

Rapist compared to Guildford Four
Last updated 58 minutes ago

Ched Evans played for Sheffield United before he was jailed in April 2012 and was permitted to train with the club on his release
The Professional Footballers' Association of Ireland has come to the defence of convicted rapist and former Sheffield United footballer Ched Evans.

Evans was jailed in April 2012 for raping a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in May 2011. He was released last month.

The association's solicitor, Stuart Gilhooly, said Evans could be innocent.

He said that while a jury convicted him of the crime, the same applied to the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six.

The Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six were initially convicted of involvement in an IRA bombing campaign which claimed several lives.

The verdicts in both cases were overturned after the ten accused spent many years in prison.

Mr Gilhooly wrote an article on the Professional Footballers' Association of Ireland website referring to Evans' crime as "alleged", despite the fact the football was found guilty of raping the woman in a hotel room in Rhyl, North Wales, and sentenced to five years.

The solicitor said he believed that whether Evans was guilty or innocent, the footballer deserved another chance.

'No violence'
Sheffield United allowed Evans to resume training at the club following his release from prison last month.

In his online article, Mr Gilhooly wrote: "This crime, as alleged, was at the bottom end. There was no violence and thankfully the victim has no recollection of it.

"This, I hasten to add, does not make it right, or anything close to it, but it is nonetheless a mitigating factor."

Mr Gilhooly said it was "not easy to muster up too much sympathy for Evans".

"But there is surely nothing worse than being accused of a crime which you genuinely believe you didn't commit," he said.

"The argument against that is that a jury convicted him of the crime. The same applied to the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six. They got no public sympathy either.

"Maybe he is guilty or perhaps he's innocent, none of us knows for sure. Surely, either way, he deserves a chance at redemption. Don't we all?"

His comments come in the wake of musician Paul Heaton's resignation as a patron of Sheffield United's Community Foundation over the club's decision to allow Evans to train with the club.

TV presenter Charlie Webster, sixties pop star Dave Berry and Sheffield businesswoman Lindsay Graham have all resigned as patrons of the club since Evans returned to training.

Olympic athlete Jessica Ennis-Hill asked for her name to removed from a stand at the club's Bramall Lane ground if Evans returns full-time.

BBC © 2014

LineRunner · 18/11/2014 10:34

Ched Evans is apparently too stupid to stupid to understand the law that convicted him.

Strange that a solicitor is also having trouble with this.

Mezzalune · 18/11/2014 10:38

He was immoral to take advantage of a drunk girl. He's not a rapist though in my eyes and was very severely punished for his crime. Leave him alone now and let him get on with his life.

I've got drunk before and had sex with men I couldn't have explicitly agreed to. This was as a teenager and I was wild back then. This would mean I had been raped numerous times! And I would consider it a disgrace to call myself a victim of rape.

I've been sexually assaulted when sober though.

The way some people have been campaigning against him getting his job back is absolutely vile.

AliceLidl · 18/11/2014 10:45
Hmm

He is a rapist in the eyes of the law Mezzalune. He raped a girl who was incapable of consent.

I don't know what happened in your case, but whatever you consider did or didn't happen to you or how willing a part you played in it, you can't speak for her or base what happened to her on your own experience. She was raped by Ched Evans.

I'm not sure how you can say he's not a rapist and then go on to say he was severely punished for his crime in the same sentence. If he's not a rapist, what do you think his crime was?

BinarySolo · 18/11/2014 10:45

A jury that heard all the evidence disagree with you, mezzalune.

I think the solicitor unwittingly hit the nail on the head here:

"But there is surely nothing worse than being accused of a crime which you genuinely believe you didn't commit," he said.

Ched believes he's innocent. That doesn't mean he is tho.

PuffinsAreFicticious · 18/11/2014 10:52

Mezzalune, no one cares what you believe, luckily. A jury of 12 people and 2 panels of appeal judges disagree with you and actually have all the facts rather than the cherry picked and highly edited victim blaming rubbish the rapist's girlfriend and her father have put on a website.

And yes, the campaign to stop your pet rapist being reinstated despite continuing to victimise his victim has been vile, people like you have made it so. Women trying to protect women from rapists are far from vile.

MyEmpireOfDirt · 18/11/2014 11:05

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Sallyingforth · 18/11/2014 11:19

I've got drunk before and had sex with men I couldn't have explicitly agreed to.

That's nothing to be particularly proud of, particularly as it will have encouraged the men taking advantage of your state to think it's acceptable behaviour that they can inflict on others.

basgetti · 18/11/2014 11:22

Bloody hell Mezzalune just seen on your other thread that you are a social worker? I really hope vulnerable people aren't being exposed to your rape apologist bullshit.

DuelingFanjo · 18/11/2014 11:27

HenriettaTurkey, Mr Gilhooly seems to have been reading a little too much of the Ched Evans Website. It is disgraceful that a member of the legal profession is spouting such shit.

Mezzalune, just because you were unconscious when you were being abused it doesn't mean no abuse took place.
The Jury Clearly decided on the evidence that it WAS rape so what is it about it that you think wasn't rape? You think someone sticking their penis into a person who can't say if it is OK to do it, is not rape?

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Bellerina2 · 18/11/2014 11:42

The way some people have been campaigning against him getting his job back is absolutely vile

Funny, I think the way his family and friends have been campaigning against his victim, to the extent that she's had to move house and change her name, is even viler.

AliceinWinterWonderland · 18/11/2014 12:09

There was no violence and thankfully the victim has no recollection of it.

"This, I hasten to add, does not make it right, or anything close to it, but it is nonetheless a mitigating factor."

WTF? A mitigating factor that she doesn't remember it? Okay, so that means that as long as someone knocks you out or you're drunk and pass out, people can do what they want because you won't remember it, so it's a "mitigating factor" in the situation?!?! And this man is a solicitor?!!

Unbelievable.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 18/11/2014 12:11

Of course there was violence, rape by it's very nature is violence. Penetrating a person without their consent is about as violent as it gets.

AliceLidl · 18/11/2014 12:15

That lawyer has clearly been to the Cee-lo Green school of rape apology.