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Original poster

to never sing along with God Save the Queen?

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LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 09/11/2014 12:28

The fact I never sing it comes up now and again and today was one of those times, at our local remembrance day parade. Right at the end the minister said 'and we'll now sing our national anthem'. I can't recall God Save the Queen being part of it,before but regardless I just stand and don't song. I don't make a big thing of it, I just don't sing.

Simiraly the Edinburgh tattoo it was sang, I stood alongside everyone but didn't sing.

I don't make a big fuss and thankfully I'm not at any events where it's sang

Dh says it's rude. I say she's not my queen, I wish her no ill but I will not sing that song.

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Bearbehind · 09/11/2014 20:01

I think it's perfectly acceptable not to agree with the monarchy polly but that doesn't mean she isn't the Queen.

Or maybe it does.

Maybe we can all change our lives by refusing to accept things that are actually facts simply because we don't think they should be

Pollyteacakes · 09/11/2014 20:02

I know it's going off the thread a bit but just the word "queen" seems to belong to a world that's long gone. It's a relic from a bygone era to have queens and princes and princesses for no other reason than the accident of birth.

Pumpkinpositive · 09/11/2014 20:04

I recognised the OP's username, knew she was Scottish Yes voter and concluded that was the only possible reason for thinking the Queen was not her Queen.

I think I've seen your deductive reasoning skills - or lack of them - critiqued on other threads in the very recent past.

You seem to be rather good at putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 65.

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LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 09/11/2014 20:05

It was sang today at the memorial in town. I can't recall ever hearing it there before. The minister leading the memorials did say that the Queen had wanted representation at as many memorial services as possible this year for the centenary and there was some Lady laying the first wreath with some tenacious link to the Queen as a representative. I'm guessing it was for her benefit.

The other time this year was at the Tattoo.

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Alisvolatpropiis · 09/11/2014 20:05

But it hasn't really gone Polly. We still have a monarchy as do a fair few other countries.

N.Korea don't have a monarchy but their rulers are only so due to an accident of birth. A hereditary dictatorship is what they have, unfortunately.

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LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 09/11/2014 20:07

She is the Queen. I'm not denying that. She's not mine.

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BathshebaDarkstone · 09/11/2014 20:08

at Sophia

Bearbehind · 09/11/2014 20:08

pumpkin I'm trying to be a detective at all.

I'm trying to think of a rational reason why someone would insist something was an indisputable fact was not so.

FWIW I think the national anthem is an embarrassing durdge of a song- it's not remotely inspirational.

ShirleyYoureNotSerious · 09/11/2014 20:09

"Well that's good. He'll be sitting while the whole class is standing and singing. You do know what happens when one child is made to stand out from the rest of the class?
I suppose you'll be blaming the teacher when he comes home complaining of being ignored/teased/bullied by his peers."

If a child is bullied because of his parent's political or other democratically held beliefs, who should we 'blame' Scouseadelic? The child or his parent?

Have you ever heard of the term 'victim-blaming'?

So there you have it raltheraffe. Best your son sings songs to a sky fairy and an elderly woman he doesn't know and who's very rich and might even be quite nice but is by no means any better than any other citizen raltheraffe. Best you make sure he knows his place from an early age, eh?

Bearbehind · 09/11/2014 20:09

FFS 'not' trying to be.

raltheraffe · 09/11/2014 20:11

I am sure the Queen is a very nice lady, but that is irrelevant. I have no issues with her personally, or any of the Royals, it is what they stand for that I object to.
Just for the record, I am from a family that believes in God.

OOAOML · 09/11/2014 20:11

It was sung (two verses) at the Remembrance service today, it usually is (been going for about 5 years and pretty sure they have it every year) here. Can't remember as far back as my youth.

ShirleyYoureNotSerious · 09/11/2014 20:14

Oops. Sorry. I meant to address my first point to Sallyingforth not Scouseadelic.

What I wanted to say to Scouseadelic was this:

I'm completely in love with the Americans for their gung-ho patriotism. Far from sneering at them I wish we were more like them in our love of England and/or Britain. I just don't see the connection between loving my country, a deity and an elderly woman who happened to be born into a rich and influential family.

Pumpkinpositive · 09/11/2014 20:18

pumpkin I'm trying to be a detective at all.

I'm trying to think of a rational reason why someone would insist something was an indisputable fact was not so.

You took something that wasn't even mentioned on this thread and stated it as the reason why OP held a view on something. And you don't seem to see why that is problematic.

But you keep telling yourself whatever you will. Over and out.

Bearbehind · 09/11/2014 20:23

pumpkin, think what you will.

I'm a very logical person - there's no logic in denying that a fact is not actually a fact.

I was just trying to work out why anyone would reach the conclusion the OP has.

It's not even a big deal anyway- I'm sure no one is going to loose any sleep ove the OP not signing the national anthem, least of all the Queen.

Pumpkinpositive · 09/11/2014 20:26

I'm a very logical person - there's no logic in denying that a fact is not actually a fact.

You're really not. Your deductive reasoning is shite. There's no denying that fact.

Stop making things up.

raltheraffe · 09/11/2014 20:41

OP is Scottish.
OP is anti-Royal.
Therefore Scots are anti-Royal,
False syllogism.

Bearbehind · 09/11/2014 20:44

I'm not making anything up- and I thought you'd gone 'over and out'.

My reasoning is shite in your opinion but I haven't heard a better reason for refusing to acknowledge something that is a fact.

Poopooweewee · 09/11/2014 20:49

She may be the queen of the UK but as a republican she certainly is not my queen; all of you obsequious toadying lot who emetically simper about a woman who really hasn't done anything of note except cut a few ribbons are welcome to her, with bells on. I won't be the loyal servant of an unelected, ineffective and archaic ruler. In a democratic society there is no room for a head of state who is put there by accident of by birth. The queen and the royal family have no relevance or place in my life.

squiggleirl · 09/11/2014 20:51

I was tackled once for not singing God Save The Queen. I stood for it, but didn't sing. Afterwards, a man had a go at me for not singing. I thought that explaining my Irishness might stop the commentary on my non-participation. Nope. Apparently that was all the more reason for why I should know it. He also mentioned the Commonwealth .

What does strike me as strange is that I don't think anybody would think it unusual if somebody didn't sing the national anthem in Ireland. If you didn't stand for it, that would be a big thing, but if you didn't sing, I can't imagine anybody commenting.

Pollyteacakes · 09/11/2014 20:53

N.Korea don't have a monarchy but their rulers are only so due to an accident of birth. A hereditary dictatorship is what they have, unfortunately.......and that's a perfect example of why its so wrong Alis.... Regardless of any qualifications, intelligence or any election process powerful positions get handed down through the generations. It's just so wrong imo.

zeezeek · 09/11/2014 20:54

I also refuse to sing the NA - I am a republican and atheist and proud of my beliefs; I am also proud to have grown up in a Country that allows me to have those beliefs and freely express them - but I strongly feel that the monarchy should have no place in my country's future.

I also come from a long line of ancestors who have fought in various wars. Obviously as most of them were dead before I was born, I have no idea of their beliefs. Both of my grandfathers and their brothers fought in the WWII and I have memories of a great uncle who was in WWI. I remember them telling me that they fought for their country because they had no desire to have Germans invade and take over. They were very clear that they did not fight for the King/the monarchy for God. I don't know about anyone else's family, but I know my grandfathers would be very proud of the fact that my brother and I are republicans.

Pumpkinpositive · 09/11/2014 20:58

I feel the same about Scotland. I can't remember hearing the anthem sung at public gatherings, save the CW Games. I wouldn't exactly be surprised to hear it sung, but it would be unusual enough to stick in the mind.

That said, I've only ever lived within the Central Belt so my experience is largely confined to this area.

BackOnlyBriefly · 09/11/2014 21:31

I think we have fairy tales to blame for the attitudes to royalty. In reality royalty isn't disney princes and princesses, but the same hereditary dictatorship mentioned above. Over time their power has been whittled down until now it's mainly ceremonial, but the Queen owes her position to her ancestors willingness to kill and scheme until they were in charge.

Can't particularly blame her, but nor do I feel any need to look up to her.

BadLad · 09/11/2014 21:35

treaclesoda - I live how nobody is engaging with your point about NI! Par for the course, I suppose

You mean the point that nobody would dare go an tell people in parts of West Belfast that Liz was their Queen? The implication being that the response would be unpleasant or violent.

It's hardly much of a point. The fact that someone gets very worked up about something doesn't make their opinion right or wrong. I thought nobody had engaged that particular point because they had recognised it for the absolute bollocks it was.

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