to think the term "menz" is bloody irritating?!

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Since we've had the recent influx of (anti)feminist threads appearing I've noticed that anytime an issue arises that might put males at a disadvantage they are dismissed with this bloody belittling term and its really starting to grate on me now.

I understand that in most peoples eyes feminism is about equality but it seems that some are intent on turning it into a war between women and men and being just as disrespectful to males as they complain that males are to females.

I'm not denying in anyway that feminism is a great thing or that women haven't been at a disadvantage forever but I don't see how this attitude helps the cause.

I have a son and a daughter and I want them both to have a respect for people regardless of gender!

I am surprised anyone is annoyed by the term menz but is quite happy to use the term grammar Nazi

It's like when #YesAllWomen started trending then immediately so did #NotAllMen.

Men were outraged that women were discussing sexism and it somehow reflected on them. What they needed to do was listen and read about the experiences of women and get bloody angry about it, not start a reactionary hash tag to defend themselves.

'Twas ever this. Women being told they are angry or hysterical or strident when they are passionate and strong and assertive, told to "calm down" "not to get so worked up" .

Sad when it's other women doing it,though.

I went for the notallmen hashtag tbh. My DP is lovely, would never hurt a fly, is not a sexist pig, and has been brought up properly. My grandad treats my grandmother like the queen and worships the ground she walks on. It kind of hurt me knowing people think all men are pigs, all men are rapists, all men are this, all men are that, why are all men this, why are all men that
it got annoying
NOT all men are rapists, the same as not all rapists are men.
Not all men hit women, the same as not all DV abusers are men.
Men do suffer too. It's just this new "internet feminism" where it's all men hating (and it is. If you're white, male, skinny... you're entitled and you're automatically a rapist for looking in a girl's direction!!!!) it's stupid. I'm all for equality, and equal pay, but I'm not for this backwards type of "feminism" that is 10 steps back for actual feminism. Feminists wanted equality, right? where's the equality in being this awful to each other.
I hated #yesallwomen because it's not all women. I liked #notallmen because it's not all men.
If you went through my tumblr dashboard, you could probably see how stupid it is getting. A man said "i was raped. I was beaten. I couldn't go anywhere because they don't have shelters for male DV victims"
Know what a woman said to that?
"YOU MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING TO HER, FOR HER TO DO THAT TO YOU, YOU'RE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH. YOU'RE A MAN. ARE YOU WHITE? YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY WHITE, IF YOU WERE A MAN OF COLOUR [can't say black anymore] THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. SCUM. MEN CAN'T GET RAPED. HAHAHA YOU GOT BEATEN? YOU'RE NOT A MAN."
and that's feminsm. That's mordern, internet, feminism. And I don't agree with it.

Sounds more like a modern, internet troll than modern, internet feminism...

"and that's feminsm. That's mordern, internet, feminism. And I don't agree with it."

No it isn't.

No, thats what I see everywhere other than mumsnet. They have to be trolls, there's no doubt about it, but there are woman who are taking them seriously.

Really? Facebook? Twitter? Everywhere?

Maybe there should also be a notallfeminists hashtag in that case Espii? Or is that so obvious that it doesn't need pointing out?

Espii, if you actually believe that's 'modern internet feminism' then you're a few lines short of a hashtag.

Just to clarify I meant is it so obvious that not all or any feminists hold those views

I know not all do, but there are a lot of young people that are taking those views.

all because of trolls on the internet.

Who do you know who holds those views?

Ever heard of False Flags, Espii?

I think you've either fallen for one or perhaps raised one.

A lot of women are actually that stupid that they read someone ranting on Tumblr and think "oh that must be feminism! I hate men now they are all scum and I hope they all die" yes you're right Espii that definitely really happens!!

Amazing that you can quote directly (including the peculiar bit in brackets). No danger if a link, I suppose?

My grandad treats my grandmother like the queen and worships the ground she walks on.

I have a problem with ^ this

I don't want to be treated like the Queen or even a queen. I'll settle for men who treat me and all women as their equals.

I trust them rather more than men who make a huge show of placing certain privileged women on pedestals, which doesn't necessarily correspond to how they treat less privileged women.

But I'm sure your grandfather and all the other men in your life are very nice people.

In all fairness "menz" isn't nearly as irritating as those oh-so-witty "behold a man has an opinion" memes.

Espil, with all due respect you are missing the point by a mile.

My friend often suffers a lot of racial abuse and when she tells me about it I do not feel the need to jump in and say Not All White People Are Like That. She knows that everyone isn't racist but just wants to speak about her experience and be listened to. Every time women talk men get defensive, and it is bloody irritating.

So before any woman can discuss unfair treatment or how she has suffered because of misogyny she must pre fix a sentence stating that actually lots of blokes are really nice? Like a mantra before any discussion takes place?

I kinda just assume that people already know this.

Has anyone noticed that we're talking about men and how we can ensure their comfort?