To be totally baffled (Ched Evans related)

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Just reading in the guardian that Ched Evans has applied to the Criminal Cases Review Commission to review his case. That's fine because it is part of our due process and legal system.

However, in the article it points out that his girlfriend's father is paying for appeal barristers, private detectives and even offering a reward for information in order to help his appeal. Why would you do that? Why would you put up so much money to protect a person who at best (from their perspective at least) cheated on your daughter in a rather deplorable fashion and at worst a rapist? Why would got want your daughter to be with such a person?

I really don't understand.

I'll see if I can get the link to work.

I think gfs of footballers often rationalise cheating by blaming the women. These poor famous footballers have fame-hungry women throwing themselves at them when all they want is to have a quiet night out. Everyone knows we'd all be a wag if we could It's really hard for the poor famous footballers not to put their penises in the women.

Even though the victim in this case had never met the rapist Evans. And he made a bee line for the hotel when he knew his mate had 'got a bird' solely with the intention of having a go on it (I say 'it' because the vagina was clearly more important than the person). I wonder what he would have done if he'd let himself into that room and found his sister on the bed?

I'm so angry about the victim being hounded and outed this way. The poor girl has no support. They're going to drive her suicide at this rate.

And people wonder why famous abusers like Rolf Harris weren't reported earlier...

And people wonder why famous abusers like Rolf Harris weren't reported earlier...

HA! THIS!

So he did say that he thkght she had consented then? What about the other stuff (what she was allegedly saying and doing during it)? I am assuming the jury concluded that they were lying/exaggerating? (Sorry I haven't read all that much about the case and am just trying to clarify exactly what he claims.)

I just cannot believe that they are outing her again. Why can't they just leave her be fuck alone - it's just disgusting behaviour from the lot of them. The whole thing about her just doing it for money etc? Well despite the fact that he did get convicted and she does have a lot of support from many people on twitter etc and she hasn't gone anywhere near the papers to sell her story, or got any money from him etc tells us that she absolutely was not doing it for the money then surely?!

I agree with purple that there is definitely this idea that woman just throw themselves at these poor unsuspecting footballers even though cases like this show that actually the exact opposite is true!

Exactly! And the victims get the blame for that too!

I have never seen a report of a rape or abyss victim getting large compensation. I think it's another rape myth.

Freckle I think the point was that the victim woke up the next day not knowing what had happened. She was hungover, had wet herself, vomited (i think), she'd lost her bag and she thought she'd had her drink spiked. She called the police on that basis. Evans implicated himself with his own statement. The victim didn't accuse him.

She didn't meet him before the incident, he lied his way into the room and asked to have a go on her. Whatever she did or didn't say has no bearing-she was in no position to consent and the jury, after hearing all the evidence, came to the conclusion that Evans presumed consent but didn't have it. He must have seen the state she was in and couldn't have reasonably believed that she was able to make that decision.

"The victim didn't accuse him. "

This is usually missed!

I was really reluctant to click on the rapist Ched Evans' website, in case they take it as some sort of support for him.

However, I did, via the 'undisputed facts' page, and it says that the night porter listened at the door for a bit and heard things. (don't want to go into details). Might what he heard be the basis for why CE is saying she was up for it?

Yes, I cannot fathom what they think she has got out of all this in this particular case.

She didn't know either of the guys prior to that night, so she wouldn't have any reason to be 'out to ruin them'.
She has made it clear that its nothing to do with money (although as yonic said, you never hear of people getting pay outs from rape cases anyway)

She has been hounded and abused by his supporters, her life must be utter shit at the moment - why would she 'make it up because she regretted having a one night stand and wanted to make out she was raped instead' - if she had been totally consenting and then regretted it in the morning, surely the easier thing to do would have been to chalk it up the experience, say nothing about it if you didn't want people to know what a 'slag' you were and get on with your life. She didn't know either of the guys and would have known that had they never been reminded of of again, she would have been another notch on the bedpost and they never would have thought of her again. If she was just ashamed of her 'slutty' behaviour, then she could never have said anything about it and no one would ever had been any the wiser about what happened in that room.

The court report simply says he heard the sounds of a couple having sex, or similar - you don't need to hear noises from both parties to draw that conclusion.

And again, as I know you know clam, whatever she said or didn't say, the court ruled that she did not have capacity to give consent and that this was clear to Evans.

Every, she did know MacDonald.

Agree with the rest of your post though.

Thanks for clarifying purple

She didn't know him Yonic, she stumbled across his path on the street.

I don't know why it's not front page news that her identity has been leaked. I believe her safety is more compromised by that than Chloe Madeley's was (not intending to belittle the seriousness of tweets received by her. Oops I sound like Judy now!)

jamtoast A defendant in a rape trial doesn't have to prove his victim didn't consent. They have to prove they had reasonable cause to think their victim had consented. Being so drunk you are practically unconscious, negates any possible consent.

Ah I didn't realise that she knew Clayton prior to that night.

Urgh, just reading that 'key facts' page - it says that the woman fell over in the doorway of the kebab shop and Ched was 'forced' to step over her.

Or, heres a thought, he could have helped her up and checked she was ok.

Yeah, freckle I had the same thought. Don't they just sound peachy, the pair of them?

She didn't know either of them, afaik!

The more I read about this case, the more it makes my stomach churn.
I tried to find a post upthread from someone who says that we mothers MUST teach our sons and daughters different. We have to teach them decency, we really have to.

Out there, we have a generation of young men and women who think that the rapist Ched Evans is blameless and that the victim is the wrongdoer. We have a generation of people who see women as pieces of meat.

Should I ever know who this young woman is, I'd just want to put my arms around her and tell her that I believe her.

What the hell is happening> For shame on him and all his supporters. I pity his girlfriend. As for her father? I have no words.

I think his girlfriend is very young and naive. I'm not excusing her but I really save my disgust for Evans, his mother and his girlfriend's father.

What kind of messed up morality do you have to think this would be okay for a girlfriend to forgive even if it was consensual?

It is so sordid and, I hope, removed from most people's reality. Using women as a vessel and 'sharing' with your friends. Utterly grim.

I am so angry that his victim has been named again. Prosecutions should follow ASAP.

Bullshit would he just walk straight back in to any other profession. Utter bullshit.

I'm not saying this was consensual BTW, I mean that even if what the girlfriend's father believes happened was true and not BS, why would you want your daughter to be with someone who behaves like that?