To be totally baffled (Ched Evans related)

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Just reading in the guardian that Ched Evans has applied to the Criminal Cases Review Commission to review his case. That's fine because it is part of our due process and legal system.

However, in the article it points out that his girlfriend's father is paying for appeal barristers, private detectives and even offering a reward for information in order to help his appeal. Why would you do that? Why would you put up so much money to protect a person who at best (from their perspective at least) cheated on your daughter in a rather deplorable fashion and at worst a rapist? Why would got want your daughter to be with such a person?

I really don't understand.

I'll see if I can get the link to work.

I feel so sorry for the girl. The only way there was a rape conviction is because people filmed it and all the while these guys really didn't see what was wrong and still don't!! It is beyond imagination!!

Everyotherfreckle

Have sent you a PM because I think it could be triggering

Tanu, I don't think that's true, the filming wasn't used for ID purposes afaik.

Thanks sashh.

Apparently Karl Massey has said that his support for Ched is nothing to do with his daughter and that even if they broke up tomorrow, he would still continue to help him clear his name.

I think that his motives for doing that are just sinister. Why would you be so invested in helping someone who has behaved so despicably?

Also I was thinking about the whole 'she's a slag anyway' thing somehow proving that she is a liar. To me, being very promiscuous almost makes it more likely that it really was rape.

After all, if you openly and quite happily sleep with lots of guys all the time, then what would make Ched Evans so different that you would want to 'cry rape' after having sex with him? We already know it wasnt for 'money' and she didn't know him so couldn't be out to 'ruin' him or anything?

And if it was all fully consensual and she had a great time etc. and she openly had sex with blokes all the time, then she is unlikely to feel so ashamed that she somehow in her very hungover state cleverly concocts a watertight-guaranteed-to-end-in-a-conviction- plan to not actually accuse the men she had never met before last night of rape, but instead pretend that she can't remember anything so that they end up incriminating themselves.

Surely If she had enjoyed it so much and it had been completely consensual and she was a 'slut' who did it all the time, she would wake up, think 'yep another great night, now lets to and get a bacon sandwich'.

The Masseys are terrible parents in the low standards they accept for their daughter.

Ched Evans parents have raised a pair of sexual deviants, including one rapist.

3 to be honest, no one gives a fuck what your opinion is slow clap

IF she wanted money, she could have simply had sex with him & sold her story to any one of the red top trashy tabloids or 'celeb' magazines. Rebecca Loos style

very doubtful she would have made any money from a kiss and tell with a B list footballer

We've witnessed the steadfast denial of his family and girlfriend. It stands to reason that other people will be similar in their complete ignorance.

When it comes down to it, there is a portion of society who believe that unless a woman is dragged off the street by a stranger, pinned down while kicking and screaming 'no' and forcefully penetrated at knifepoint, then they weren't raped. Oh, and said woman should be stone cold sober, showing no flesh and wearing no make up. She should also be a virgin ideally. It usually helps if the offender himself is not famous or good looking. An illegal immigrant or foreign national offender would fit the bill perfectly.

In that situation these rape apologists might accept the accusation of rape and may be outraged.

Possibly not the Masseys though...

very doubtful she would have made any money from a kiss and tell with a B list footballer

No and funnily enough she hasn't made any money from being raped by one either.

I bet she is really annoyed that it wasn't an A lister who let himself into that room completely uninvited and then penetrated her while she was extremely drunk. Then she could have gone straight for the cold hard cash with a kiss and tell, instead of having to go through this pesky business of a humiliating rape trial/being harassed to the point of having to changing her identity, and still not getting a penny from the man who raped her.

Ah well, you win some you lose some.

I feel so sorry for through victim.

I can imagine those supporting the rapist blaming all the harassment of he on us feminists. You know, if the nasty feminists would have just stayed quiet and let poor rapist Evans return to his little job without all this fuss then the rape apologists wouldn't have had to hound the victim in the first place.

In fact, the whole thing is the fault of the nasty feminists who fight against men taking what they want when they want from whom they want.

Such is the warped logic of mysogynistic rape apologists.

the victim. Sorry, I'm neglecting to proof read in my agitated state.

Is that the pesky feminists running the judicial system, purple?

Yes, pesky feminists run everything. That's why women earn so much more than men and aren't expected to do any housework or childcare ever.

Quite. Because we all know that feminism has gone too far. We should just shush now

I always forget when it was feminism went too far, Saskia. Was it when women got to 15% representation on FTSE 100 boards or was it at 20%?

Can't have been at 25% as we're not there yet...

YANBU.

This whole case is so depressing, it honestly terrifies me to be bringing my lovely DD into this world, where convicted rapists are still defended by not only their family and friends but by strangers on the internet.

Do these people think that if Ched Evans was passed out cold in a hotel room and someone penetrated him, that would that not be rape either?

It reminds me exactly how much women are hated by many in society

There is a positive element though Claudette. Once upon a time this sort of thing happened all the time, except the woman was entirely shamed, the man got away scot free and nothing was said by anyone. At least with this case, horrible though it is, a conviction was made, and there are plenty of women voicing their opinion about how utterly awful the whole thing is.

In a weird way I think the fallout of this case is very beneficial as men have come out and articulated just how little they give a shit about women's rights. Once they state it openly, which they are much more likely to do on the internet than in real life, it is much easier to tackle it. It's the gaslighty "we really care about women, but..." that is much harder to tackle IMO.

Slight aside (not having read the whole thread): having grown up as a teenager hearing of the Ealing Vicarage rape case (where the victim was a virgin, penetrated at knifepoint - and STILL the judge said that he didn't think she had suffered unduly) and a rape reported by the Telegraph which stressed that the victim was wearing fishnets and a short shirt EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS ONLY 13, I am profoundly dispirited. Why the hell are we still having these conversations?? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that we have travelled so little distance in 30 years??

You know, I was angry about it in my teens. As a mother of daughters, I'm getting pretty apoplectic again...

The rapist Ched Evans believes he has done nothing wrong? This worries me entirely as this suggests there are people out there who are too stupid to understand the difference between rape and consensual sex!

Either way, he is a rapist in my eyes and more importantly, the eyes of the law.

Jean Hatchet, who set up the petition to stop SUFC re-signing the rapist, is now receiving vile abuse on Twitter. Beggars belief!

i100.independent.co.uk/article/what-happens-when-you-start-a-petition-against-ched-evans--lJhBQ5euLg