To be totally baffled (Ched Evans related)

[soapboxqueen]

Just reading in the guardian that Ched Evans has applied to the Criminal Cases Review Commission to review his case. That's fine because it is part of our due process and legal system.

However, in the article it points out that his girlfriend's father is paying for appeal barristers, private detectives and even offering a reward for information in order to help his appeal. Why would you do that? Why would you put up so much money to protect a person who at best (from their perspective at least) cheated on your daughter in a rather deplorable fashion and at worst a rapist? Why would got want your daughter to be with such a person?

I really don't understand.

I'll see if I can get the link to work.

Yonic - yes it certainly seems to be the case!
It seems that the victim's stalkers are really scraping the barrel to try to find evidence against her.

And, as an entirely separate point, any compensation that someone might be paid for being the victim of a crime doesn't suddenly cancel out that crime. I'm sure anyone paralysed by a drunk driver or whatever would far rather they'd never been hit than that they'd got some compensation.

But somehow, with rape or abuse, any question of compensation (which seems to be pretty rare and completely inapplicable in this case), out come the accusations of gold digging or whatever.

I don't know why this is.

cheesetoastie I think it's a great idea about the rape crisis banner actually, and I really hope that things like that do happen if he does get back out on the pitch.

It's almost like, in some twisted way, if you are the victim of a sexual crime and you receive compensation, society thinks you are recast as someone who "sold" that sex for that compensation.

Sorry, this is totally off topic and not relevant to the victim of the rapist Ched Evans.

Oh, yes, I agree MEOD.

What lie did he use to get a key?

One last thing: if you wanted to get money by accusing someone rich of a crime, surely it would be more logical to threaten them with reporting or offer to drop the case after reporting but before going to court, provided you were paid off?

Going all the way to court seems spectacularly inefficient .

And yet so many seem convinced it happens a lot.

Well then shame on you.

Thank you MyEmpire (sounds a bit grand!)
The reaction of his gf and family is truly baffling.

Isn't it 45% ish for females who are raped and 63% ish for males who are raped, with other violent crimes belng around the 50%ish mark?

The conviction rate for cases that get to court has been rising. In 2012/13 it was 63% although it fell back to 60% in 2013/14.

3 on what grounds do you not believe it was rape? Is it because he said so, or is there more to it?

Then you are wrong, 3. A jury, a single judge review and a 3 judge review disagree with you.

Consent is black or white. If you're incapable of giving consent, or your consent is not sought, as in this case, then no consent has been given. What she tweeted after is immaterial, iirc, the win big one was a good while after and no one has satisfactorily shown that it had anything to do with Ched Evans raping her.

The rapist Ched Evans admitted he never sought his victims consent, he sought his friend's consent to 'have a go'

You have to be pretty stupid not to understand this to be honest.

Ah, I was thinking of 2011

In 2011 the conviction rate for rape against a female was 39.7%, just below the 45.2% rate for rape against a male. The aggregate rate across all sexual offences was 60.3%.

www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jan/11/male-female-rape-statistics-graphic

What lie did he use to get a key?

He had become separated from his friend and didn't know where he was, although he had received a text from his friend saying he was with a girl. This text gave no indication as to where his friend and the girl were. On return to the hotel he told the night porter that his friend had decided not to use the room and, as the room had been booked on his credit card, he was going to use the room himself.

I'm surprised MN is where you learnt about this case, 3, have you been here since 2011?

If you're incapable of giving consent, or your consent is not sought, as in this case, then no consent has been given

The wording of that sentence implies consent was not sought. The only evidence we have of what went on in the hotel room came from the two footballers with some limited evidence from the night porter who was listening at the door for part of the incident. The night porter confirmed he heard both male and female voices "squealing, panting and groaning" which, of course, tells us very little. The footballers both maintain that the victim consented and that she was capable of giving consent. The victim cannot recall what happened.