to be really angry at Benefits House:Me and My 26 Kids

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Is anybody else watching this on 5*? It's mainly focused on the bloke with 26 kids by 10 mums who is demanding a bigger house paid for by the government, most of his kids are old enough to work but only one does. His main complaint is that the benefits cap means they can't buy a playstation! I kind of understand the single mum who needs a bigger house, but there's another family with 8 kids, neither of them working but both drinking and smoking! AIBU to be absolutely reeling that the government makes it so easy for some people! I'm self-employed because we don't qualify for 15 hours of childcare yet and my other half has been doing 60+ hours a week recently to support us!

Vanitas
I agree with I'd much rather have a system open to exploitation by people who chose to live that way and have the necessary support for people in need. Could be any one of us if things go badly.

but I have to say that it depends on whom you compare the royal family to!

And which members. Princess Anne has always done a lot more than, say, Prince Andrew, as far as the naked eye can see.

This lists royal engagements

I searched for Prince Andrew for the month ahead, without restricting the search by region. Zero results. Then I did the same for Princess Anne. Four pages of engagements for November.

Daily Mail stuff. Do yourself a favour and don't get wound up

Newdawnforever what a utilitarian approach to people you have, you frighten me. And the very idea that you can play God and say who has value and who does not!

Seriously trying to compare believing that the state shouldn't support over breeders who don't contribute to society and raise their children with equally horrible attitudes with mass exterminations and persecution of anyone opposed to that. How offensive and demeaning to the victims. Hitler was also a vegetarian who got the trains running on time, that doesn't make those things bad, he was as were his genocidal policies.

Make up your own argument about why you think we should pay the types of people who overbreed on taxpayers money and justify that rather than screaming Nazi. Of course if you had an opinion you believed in you would have responded with that rather than throwing ridiculous insults.

But it's not a ridiculous insult, and it is comparable. The Nazis carried out policies of forced sterilisation on people they believed added no value to society. You also believe in that.

Mexican; not really, if you want a generous welfare system to support everyone who needs it then you can't allow a minority to take advantage of that particularly if they're producing many children who will also go on to repeat their parents behaviour. Eventually you'll have more people taking than giving and that's not sustainable.

People can have the freedom to produce as many children as they like as long as they support themselves but expecting the government to subsidise their bad choices is wrong and takes resources away from those who need and deserve it. You can't have it every way, the system is only strong if the majority of the population are in the workforce and that's only possible if they're employable.

I'd rather have huge support for the disabled, unemployed, mentally ill, sick to help them as they need until they get on their feet rather than wasting resources on people who breed more children than they can care for while not bothering to contribute anything positive to society.

Newdawn

For once words fail me, your comments are sick and despicable.

Men who impregenate multiple women with children they can't provide for should be snipped and women who allow men like that to impregenate them should have their Fallopian tubes cut after number one.

You sound like an intelligent person. Can't you see how wrong this is, Newdawn?

Newdawnforever makes a lot of sense.

That doesn't surprise me, Territt.

what doesn't Tillybee?

Maybe they should just taper child benefit/tax credits for each extra child after the first 2 or 3? Also increase the tax free allowance so that those in work not earning very much pay less tax rather than taxing them and then giving it back to them in tax credits?

Newdawn - totally agree with you, great comment!

Not surprised given the extreme views you both share. I seem to recall yours on state execution and the death penalty.

hard cases make bad law.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_cases_make_bad_law

Actually Newdawnforever, I see you have no understanding of law, economics or sociology. Working for a wage does not mean that someone is useful to society.

And Malthusianism is the name of the philosophy that you are advocating which was put into practice by the Nazis with disastrous and inhuman effects.

Marie Stopes and Jeremy Bentham combined. Good grief NewDawn you are terrifying.

More so because you actually have no real idea of any of the facts and figures. Nor do you comprehend socialism other than in the terms of 1930s Germany. Eugenics. Alive and Well.

If there were families like this everywhere then this wouldn't make good telly.

And Hitler wasn't a sodding vegetarian. It's a myth. If you can't even get the basics right...

Make up your own argument about why you think we should pay the types of people who overbreed on taxpayers money

And what do you do about the children? Tell them that their parents are "breeders" so they can starve?

Yep...you tell the kids "sorry, you were born to breeders" (what a fucking awful term) and can starve/go cold etc etc etc.

Fact is that children have the right to a roof over their heads and adequate food. This is one reason why child related benefits appear so generous.

Once the children are grown though the child related payments stop and the adults have a very poor old age to look forward to. Not exactly something to aspire to is it?

I haven't seen the programme as its bound to have been edited in a certain way. I bet we don't know half the facts, only the sensational stuff. It was the same on Benfits Street with the young couple who were out of work with two small children. It took a member of the extended family to point out that both the parents had attended a special school for those with learning difficulties. Naturally the programme did NOT point that out and just sat back enjoying the furore and ratings they achieved.

I've been heartened to see so many MNs who can see through this ploy about screening programmes like the one under discussion. It is done purposely to fuel the prejudices of the DM/Sun readers - Lemonade put it very well - this is what the govt want - to set ordinary people (working and claimants) against each other, as that detracts from the real culprits who "milk" the system. See the links provided about big businesses who pay a pittance in tax, banker's bonus's and the rich profits that shareholders make from private companies..........the list is endless and we're talking big bucks here, not thousands of pounds but millions and billions.

Newdawn you scare me. I am old enough to recall that in 1974 Keith Joseph (Tory Member of Cabinet) suggested that Classes lV and V (Registrar General's Analysis of Class) - blue collar workers, should be prevented from breeding children, as a way of breaking into the cycle of deprivation. Presumably you'd agree with that.........no don't answer me please I don't want to read any more of your offensive posts.

This programme enforces the need to limit the number of children that benefit will be paid. Have as many children as you want, but only if you work and can provide for them yourself!

So assuming a couple have a pretty decent income - what shall we call pretty decent? £100k between them (outside London)? Great, they reckon they can afford four children. So they have four. One of the children has profound special needs, so one parent gives up work to look after him/her full time. Other parent gets sick, is made redundant, or runs off to Barbados with his secretary; suddenly, from being comfortably off, the family has NO income. Bloody scroungers, they should have been sterilised before they had all those children, right?

I'm willing to bet a scenario like that is a sight more common than your common or garden layabout father-of-26.