to be really angry at Benefits House:Me and My 26 Kids

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Is anybody else watching this on 5*? It's mainly focused on the bloke with 26 kids by 10 mums who is demanding a bigger house paid for by the government, most of his kids are old enough to work but only one does. His main complaint is that the benefits cap means they can't buy a playstation! I kind of understand the single mum who needs a bigger house, but there's another family with 8 kids, neither of them working but both drinking and smoking! AIBU to be absolutely reeling that the government makes it so easy for some people! I'm self-employed because we don't qualify for 15 hours of childcare yet and my other half has been doing 60+ hours a week recently to support us!

She got £0 help. My dad had retired as well but apparently his state pension is enough to cover them both. My mum is 6 years younger than my Dad and she went to the job centre but they won't help find her jobs unless she is on job seekers allowance but they wouldn't give it to her because of my Dad's pension income. It is really ridiculous they are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. My dad was a bus driver and my mum was fruit packing (these are not highly paid jobs at all) that they could put substantial savings aside.

I just don't understand how someone who pays their taxes gets no help when they need it the most (and my mum only needed help for 2ish years and a bit of assistance from the job centre) yet people who contribute nothing get all the help in the world.

Was your mum pension age?

No she isn't pension age she has another 3 years left to go or it might be four (I think the pension age has moved)

I saw this programme a while back and I thought the people on it were rounded up and told to say they were all together. It just didn't hit home and is obviously designed propaganda to direct our thoughts and anger towards those people so we were not thinking too much about what the government have got in store for us next.

Surely she would have been able to claim contribution based jsa?

Why aren't people seeing through this shit already!

Fixerupperz - because people like to get frothy and feel superior about themselves and their lives. Makes them feel better. That's why the Mail Online is so hugely popular!

Why not get angry at the tax avoiders. The Top Shop man who doesn't seem to pay tax because his DW owns the business and domiciles in the Cayman Islands.
And the 1000s of others who avoid tax.

I think the replies on this thread perhaps show a split between tax payers and benefit claimants

The 2 are not mutually exclusive. I pay tax but claim DLA.

Where's the split?
I do not claim benefit.
I have paid hundreds of thousands in tax over my career.
I think it's propaganda. I am a socialist and think any civilised country should provide a safety net. If I broke my back tomorrow, I would like to think that the state would help me look after my child. That is not because I have paid taxes, it's because I think it is what a civilised society should do. Yes, there may be some people who will cheat the system, and the system will inevitably have glitches that will favour a few, but it is scandalous that these people are being used as pawns to enrage voters.
People need to watch TV a little more critically and stop allowing themselves to be manipulated.

Bread and circuses anyone?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287216/Revealed-One-UKs-companies-pay-tax.html
Be angry about this!!!!
Even the Daily Mail agrees!!!

Yanbu, benefits should only be provided up to two children, after that free sterilisations should be offered. Men who impregenate multiple women with children they can't provide for should be snipped and women who allow men like that to impregenate them should have their Fallopian tubes cut after number one.

We should be encouraging people like doctors, scientists and the like to reproduce, the world needs more intelligent people who will contribute to society. We don't need more idiots, junkies, criminals, lazy people, stupid people, religious nuts, society is collapsing under the weight of too many leeches that breed like rats.

We have a responsibility to look to the demographics our children are going to be afflicted with by the time they're adults. The policies we have now ensure there'll be more unemployable people than professionals, more gang members than doctors, more fascist religious nuts than liberals....

We should look at the society we wish to have in the future and promote only what will create that. We have to be judgemental for the hell that has been created in many areas is only the beginning of what will be the norm for everywhere in thirty years.

newdawn

Are you proud to identify as a fascist irreligious nut, then?

I would also add that unfortunately rather than dealing with the problem people, the government will just use the problem people as an excuse to cut vital services. Every functioning, civilised society needs a strong social welfare system but those systems need to be protected from exploitation and they should never be used to the detriment of society. Paying lazy, uneducated idiots to breed piles of children that will be raised badly is morally wrong and unsustainable.

I pay tax. So does every member of my family. We have done all our lives.
I am very supportive of the benefits system as a whole. I am happy I help contribute to supporting vulnerable people and those in real need.
I may need it one day although I currently receive no benefits at all.
All that doesn't mean that I think anyone should be allowed to have 26 children that they can't support, even on a most basic level.
I can't seriously believe that people are claiming these families have been ' made up'.
I've taught in a school with several families in similar circumstances. This does happen.

I'm not a fascist, I'm a socialist, quite happy to not encourage the the possibility of civilisation never being obtainable by suggesting that those who have nothing positive to contribute should breed less. I don't want to live in a world divided by idocracy vs idiotic theocracy. The only shame is with those who wish to inflict that on the world.

There was nothing else on the TV.

Then switch it off! You don't have to watch something, anything

This must be such an extreme, rare example of benefit claimants. Even the family with 8 children is very unusual.
I agree with whoever said that they must be about to make some painful changes to the welfare system soon.
They love this stuff, the DM readers

Surely if a family has 26 children, they should be given as much help as possible.

It is not reasonable to think that parents can support that number on their own and they shouldn't have to feel that any help is begrudged.

Obviously, help from the state would be needed in most cases, as surely very few people could earn anything like the required amount for even a basic lifestyle.

Life must be pretty hard for them rearing 26 children: it's pretty hard rearing just one or two in my experience!

Anyone who has over four little ones needs a medal! I am exhausted merely thinking about it.

This is how the government and the media pit us all against each other, while we are all arguing about who is worst off and whose life is most unfair down at the bottom, the rich folk are laughing and rubbing their hands and getting richer and richer, and we are all too busy blaming benefit claimants to notice.

It makes me sad how often people fall for this blatant manipulation :(

"I'm not a fascist, I'm a socialist, "

No, you really, really aren't a socialist. Not sure that you're a fascist either, but you do seem to have some beliefs in common with the 1930s' Nazi party.

(Yes, Godwins, but it's appropriate in this situation)

Agree with some previous posters: programmes like this are designed to give the gleefully offended something to feel outraged about, while simultaneously diverting attention away from the real mass of scroungers in our society - tax dodgers, dodgy employers and shit landlords.

No, you really, really aren't a socialist. Not sure that you're a fascist either, but you do seem to have some beliefs in common with the 1930s' Nazi party.

I agree

Exactly that not reasonable to expect you could look after 26 so why would people.
Poor kids growing up with a dad with 25 others and so many half siblings.
Dad clearly putting himself first.
Cut benefits to first 2 kids

Yes, that's a great idea! Let's start chopping bits of people if they don't live up to certain social expectations.

What is society deemed you imperfect Newdawn?

What about the Royal family? They're a pretty large family that know they can afford whatever they want as a result of the "benefits" that the government awards them.

The royal family actually work bloody hard! I wouldn't want to love like they have to for any amount of money.

If you consider the consequences of not having a benefit system such as ours, no one with an ounce of humanity could object; take America for example.

I'd much rather have a system open to exploitation by people who chose to live that way and have the necessary support for people in need. Could be any one of us if things go badly.