to be really angry at Benefits House:Me and My 26 Kids

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Is anybody else watching this on 5*? It's mainly focused on the bloke with 26 kids by 10 mums who is demanding a bigger house paid for by the government, most of his kids are old enough to work but only one does. His main complaint is that the benefits cap means they can't buy a playstation! I kind of understand the single mum who needs a bigger house, but there's another family with 8 kids, neither of them working but both drinking and smoking! AIBU to be absolutely reeling that the government makes it so easy for some people! I'm self-employed because we don't qualify for 15 hours of childcare yet and my other half has been doing 60+ hours a week recently to support us!

moaning

Well we will see won't we

And for the record we all work here.

Hello again CalamitouslyWrong - totally agree with your reply to OP. Makes me sick the way we keep seeing this sort of shit on TV, just fuelling the prejudices of the DM/Sun readers.

Do you know (or care) OP that the vast majority of benefit claimants are actually in work but are paid such crap wages, or can't get enough hours to make ends meet..........this means that we are subsidising the employers who are usually making vast profits, and private landlords who are charging extortionate rents (especially in London) for run down properties. Housing Benefit is paid for by the taxpayer so we are lining the pockets of these landlords. Many years ago there used to be legislation called "The Fair Rent Act" which prevented landlords making vast profits but no longer...........the govt don't seem to mind landlords charging exactly what they like, because of course they believe in private enterprise, even if we the taxpayers are having to foot the bill.

Wonder why we don't see programmes about the members of the cabinet who are millionaires and how some MPs were caught up in the expenses scandal. And what about SERCO who committed fraud by charging for tagging offenders who were still in prison.........ever wondered why they were just allowed to pay back the millions they had charged.........if you or I committed fraud we would be in Court and possibly get a custodian sentence. The govt say they are "being investigated by the Serious Fraud Office" but this has been going on for over a year - crap - how long does it take to find out that it's fraud to charge for tagging offenders still in prison? AND they are still being offered contracts - all in the name of privatisation because that's the name of the game.

I'd better stop or I'll rant all night.

Decent hard working household here (whatever that means). Educated too, don't you know?

Which might explain why I can see these goady programmes for what they are.

I think the replies on this thread perhaps show a split between tax payers and benefit claimants

Really? I pay two lots of tax: I'm in work and I'm self employed as well. I still don't like benefit bashing programmes.

I remember when the fair rent act was abolished.
Our rent doubled almost overnight.

Laura - masterbating with a cuckoo........really!!? Made me smile

And what is really seriously scary are those who are so arrogant and secure in their lives that they will never have to see a jobcentre for signing on.. because misfortune never will happen to them. They are happy to see it decimated because like yanno it'll never happen to them will it?

Hmm, I think a few posters in this thread don't realise that it is possible to be supportive of a functioning benefits system while being annoyed by isolated cases of abuse.

Ilovesooty - you don't pay double tax unless you aren't doing things right. The tax you pay should be the same whether you have a job, are self employed or both. You pay different rates of National insurance though but that shouldn't make a large difference.

That isn't what I see in the OP. It's exactly the response these programs are provoking.

As an aside.. I'm going to kill JC Denton when I find my controller for IW. Hunted all day for the swine.

JCDenton - I think you're on to something there.

Although I also have a lot of sympathy for the argument that its pointless and daft to watch programmes like this anyway. They are designed purely to wind people up into a lather.

Just like those 3 families in the Fail last week (linked to on here) who were complaining they couldn't live on £100,000.

"There was nothing else on the TV. "

Why not switch it off then? Read a book. Listen to the radio. Do a jigsaw.

Higher rate tax payer here with a very pissed off cuckoo

You are so right. Your tax money goes straight to the green room of the Jeremy Kyle show. Ignore Trident, ignore the numerous government IT systems that have pissed away millions, ignore bailing out bankers, ignore illegal wars and selling off assets at bargain prices (Royal Mail). Also ignore the fact that the posters on this thread probably pay more in tax than Starbucks, Amazon and Boots combined.

The 'hardworking poor' aren't getting screwed because of benefits 'scroungers.' They're getting screwed because this government think anyone on under £100k pa is subhuman.

I'm self-employed because we don't qualify for 15 hours of childcare yet and my other half has been doing 60+ hours a week recently to support us!

So does my dh. We both work full time, claim no benefits.

Do you envy them? Really? I'd rather double the hours I work than be skint and live in a crowded, filthy shithole with more kids than hands and feet between you.

The only thing I feel for people like those shown is pity, for them and the kids. Pity because of the life they're living, that they have no aspirations to have more, will probably never know more, and if their kids follow them then neither will they.

I did watch it a couple of weeks ago and there was only one thing that gave me the rage - the couple with (was it 14?) kids...where it showed the mother standing and cradling her very tiny baby with one hand whilst smoking a fag with the other. That's nothing to do with benefits though, just an indication that she's a filthy scumbag.

It is impossible to design a benefits system which provides an adequate safety net for the vulnerable, which is also impermeable to exploitation by those who are determined to use it in this way. Think of the money paid out to lazy scroungers as a tax on keeping a decent system for the rest of us.

In any case, most of the money paid out to families like this goes to their children, who have as much right as anyone else's to an adequate income.

Sorryforher

Fantastic post, completely agree.

Great posts NanaNina and Gamerchick.
It is simply Government propaganda. Yes, propaganda from the government.

By getting you to focus on an extremely small minority, you forget the plight of millions of other hard working people who, despite working long hours, still can't make ends meet.

The idea is to persuade the masses that all benefit claimants are lazy and probably cheating the system.

Next month, when yet more cuts are announced, many more people will be in support. It's simple, a lot less obvious than the clumsy spin of New Labour c.1997 and extremely effective.

I'm going to kill JC Denton when I find my controller for IW.

I don't know why you'd put yourself through playing IW, it's about half loading screens

On topic, I agree with sorryforher

I'm going to blow the judge socks off moaningminnie2 and say that I am both a tax payer and a benefit claimant (DLA). Now, which corner do I sit in?!

Tbh I more disturbed by the idea that this bloke has 26 by 10 women, presumably he's some sort of Adonis? * disclaimer I have not seen this programme.

It's people like him who make me wish I could find some philosophical wiggle room in my own anti eugenics stance.

I agree with sorryforher also, I'd rather live in a society where these children were supported.
That's is essentially the argument for universal credit ( the economics theory not the new benefits systems) whereby every resident of the state gets enough to just about live on, no questions asked, not threshold of income or expensive investigative system.
The theory states that
90+% of the population do not wish to live that breadline life and will choose to work, some will earn little and top up their wages with UC others will earn a lot and may or may not choose to claim it.

I've never quite made up my mind about this theory but when you look at the amount of Niebuhr spent investigating potential benefit fraud...

Behave, IW is awesome. Nothings ever matched it.

I do think this government Is due its finishing piece when it's arse is kicked out because I'll be gobsmacked if they are voted in. Not like they were voted in last time.

I think the replies on this thread perhaps show a split between tax payers and benefit claimants

This line gets used a lot on threads like this, did you think you were being original and clever?

It is disgusting no matter how rare these types of families are. My mum worked and paid her taxes for 30yrs+ but because of a head injury caused at work she couldn't work for over 2 years and only now when she has learnt to manage the continual pain she suffers from she can only find a temporary job where she may get 4hrs every now and again.

She got nothing whilst she was out of work, no jobseekers allowance - zero help despite paying her taxes.

Back then National Insurance meant something i.e. paying towards your state pension and also as some sort of insurance in case you ever in your life needed support and could not work. Now its just another tax.

Yet here we have people who paid next to nothing into the system and can can pick up hundreds of pounds a week.

Do you know why she didn't get anything LilMiss? And I'm guessing by not getting anything you do really mean nothing as in £0