to draw your attention to MN'ers being threatened with court for posting

[gordyslovesheep]

By Samaritan's Purse

I know I'm not the only one

who else have they decided to silence?

It's quite interesting that they dislike criticism so much

Are you up for the fight, gordy? Perhaps some friendly faces in Legal would like to help.

Meanwhile, get talking to MNHQ so they don't have to delete you by default.

If refusing permission for MNHQ to pass on your personal data can be done without harming MN or yourself, that should help MNHQ fulfil their legal obligations thus far, and leave it for SP to decide if they really want the cost and bother of going to court to get your info.

Let's face it, mere intimidation is cheap and easy.

MN publishes books with our words???? really>>>

"We ask for posters' contact details in these circumstances because the law (the 2013 Defamation Act) requires us to"

And people say I'm mad when I say we have less and less privacy and rights every day. MAD THEY SAID!

Here's my details for the login I no longer use but no doubt you've emailed given my posting history on this subject.

Mrs Jane Smith
1 House Street
Little Town
London
AB1 2AJ

So, you have 'my' details. [wink wink]

The fuck they gonna do then? I'm using a different ISP. A different laptop.

The internet is watching!

'Ironically I had never heard of this group before (I live in the States - even stranger perhaps since they're an American group)'

I think they're more of an active outreach programme, y'know, converting heathens overseas.
Pavlovian techniques; pray to Jesus first then food.

so the options are:

1. agree for your posts to be deleted

1. not agree to deletion, in which case:

(a) provide your contact details (b) let them know whether these can be passed on

1. if no response, then posts will be deleted anyway

?

MN doesn't publish books with my words in them, because I never post anything worth putting in a book.

Oi, everyone! Not MNHQ's fault! They have to follow the law.

Which in this case means they have to ask to pass details on - but one can say no.

You might find this of interest. I should imagine that MN have come into focus here because they're a large and fairly static organisation with revenue streams. I guess it was only a matter of time.

Didn't Brian join MN to debate this last Christmas?

In my personal opinion, there is NO necessity to make an overt connection between an act of kindness and the religious beliefs of the donors, even if you are using the act of charity as an evangelical tool.

If a religious group is seen doing good things, helping people, providing things for people in need, they will develop a reputation as good, caring people - and that may lead some people to want to learn more about that faith - and then the group can start a dialogue with that person - but it has been the person's free choice to ask for more information, instead of that information being part and parcel of the delivery of the aid/help/gifts/whatever. There should never be strings attached.

This sort of heavy handed approach does not add any lustre to any organisation! I hope that MNHQ defends the right of gordy and others to post reasonable, honestly held opinions, and does not give into this.

Gordy just posting in support.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot Samaritans purse. If you are reading this (cos you probably are), then let me say that we were going to do a shoebox this year but because of your ridiculous actions here, we'll be donating to a local charity instead.

Just to be clear, I've made this decision because of your "slander/defamation" threats, not because you may or may not like Muslims.

Petula, maybe there's a
2 (c) not agree to deletion, and not agree to details being passed on.

Don't know. Rowan?

sorry that wasn't clear pausing - (b) followed (a). i presume that in the case of someone not agreeing to deletion and refusing to give contact details to MNHQ at all (not just refusing to details being passed on to SP) would mean that MNHQ would override and delete anyway?

Sink me, I thought I was alone in having a different name and identity and birthday and whatnot on the net.
We'll have to form a secret alliance...
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@Rusticated

Rowan, but are you saying that posts will be deleted if a poster like Gordy or Suffolk doesn't give permission for you to forward their details to SP?

No.

Posters are given the choice of whether they want to withdraw the posts or not.

The law says that posters need to provide us with their details, but NOT that those details must be passed on to the complaining party. The choice of whether or not to pass on details does NOT affect whether the post is removed or not.

I was under the impression that defamation/slander only applies if it's NOT true?

@PausingFlatly

Oi, everyone! Not MNHQ's fault! They have to follow the law.

Which in this case means they have to ask to pass details on - but one can say no.

Yes!

Thanks for the support - HQ don't have much choice in the matter to be fair to them

I can't afford to defend a libel case to be honest so they can delete my posts - I can then object loudly to them due to them threatening me with court for objecting to them - which is much more damaging to them in my opinion

massive PR own goal I think

Take an example from the Bible SP!

Yes, gordy, that sounds like rather a good strategy

@SuffolkNWhat

What we need from you now is your response to this complaint - so could you please let us know:

? whether or not you'd like your post to be deleted
? your full name and address, if you'd like your post to remain
? whether you agree to us sending on these details to the complainant

If you don't agree to us passing on your details, we won't release them unless we're ordered to do so by a court.

^That is C/P from the email I got. It reads that in order for my posts to remain I have to give MNHQ my personal info.

Right - really sorry Suffolk, we do see that it's not totally clear.

You do need to provide us with your details for your post to remain.

But we do not pass these on to the complaining party without your permission. Your post can remain without your details being passed to them.

confused