To be enraged on behalf of the mother?

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I mean, kids these days need to be taught that they are even less "invisible" than we thought we were due to social media, but really?

"She was clearly happy for her facebook contacts to see the picture"

And there you have it.

It takes about a nanosecond's thought to realise there are better ways of sending a message, if what they wanted to do was explain why they recommend people set their profile to private.

Teachers of all people should know that a good many teenage girls are full of self doubt, angst, insecurities, and all the other shit that comes with the territory of being a teenager. They did a stupid thing. There are ways of making their point that would not have required the singling out of a teenage girl in front of her peers.

the point I was making was tggat she was happy with the photo; she obviously did not think it was unflattering or humiliating.
you can tell them over and over; very few take notice

How is she being singled out?

I think using google to search for students' names and then showing the photos is a pretty good way of addressing the issue.

I bet she thinks it's humiliating now. Job done.

The girl might not have even put the picture on Fb herself, someone else could have and tagged her, and the teachers found her that way. Fb are forever messing about with settings etc. I honestly can't believe people are condoning this!

It was her profile pic, apparently, Fairy.

Still doesn't make it right though.

I can't believe people are blaming this girl or saying the school did the right thing. I have pictures of me in a bikini on my facebook. I'm perfectly aware people might see them. But if somebody took them into my team meeting at work and blew them up and pointed them out to my colleagues I would expect them to be sacked for sexual harrassment.

If people see them when I'm not there and they respond 'yuck' or 'phwoargh' it probably doesn't matter to me. If one person saw them and passed a comment I didn't like on the I could live with and would just think they were an idiot. But if someone engineered a situation where I had to deal with the reaction of several hundred people seeing it all at once which would also make me the major topic of conversation between my peer group - well that would upset me.

Honestly, some of the arguments on here are akin to the 'well she was wearing a short skirt so she deserves to be raped' school of thought. She put the picture up therefore she deserves to be publically humiliated in a manner which had definite sexual undertones.

I don't accept the intention was to humiliate her. Her own profile picture was of her in a pair of shorts and a bikini top. She chose the picture, the teacher was trying, probably for the umpteenth time, to demonstrate how easy it is for your pictures to be available to all.
It is not equivalent to a colleague taking your pictures into a meeting ; the teacher was showing how people you don't include in your friend list can see your photos, if you are silly and ignore the warnings.

however I believe the aim of the teacher was to deliver a lesson in internet security. Not humiliate one child. Your delight at her humiliation is troubling.

Sorry however I think your I read your last post OUT of context and misunderstood.

Of course the teacher wasn't trying to humiliate any of the kids - they were just demonstrating that if you put photos on line, they can be googled.

out no idea why that's in capitals I need to take more care.

It says it was from her Fb profile, not that it was her profile picture!

Why is it not equivalent to taking it into a work meeting? You've said it's not equvalent to someone taking it into a work meeting but you haven't explained why not. If it's unacceptable to do this to a woman at work, it's unacceptable to do it to a girl at school.

Apparently all the other children who were shown were only shown in head and shoulders shots and this one girl was singled out by being shown in a full body shot.

Most of these pupils are computer savvy, have been since childhood and are perfectly well aware who can see their pictures. The lesson could have been taught perfectly well without using this shot of the girl.

To be honest if you had a meeting at work about internet security, and the person running it had googled participants names and used the photos, then I don't see the problem there either.

I am astounded at how many posters are defending what the teacher did.

It is disgraceful to have singled out one child, blown up a photo of her to show to everyone in the assembly. I can't believe people are defending this adult who is in a position of trust.

Yes the photo was online for everyone to see, that's not the same as it being blown up, life size and pointed at in assembly FGS.

Just to give a different perspective on this...

Something similar happened at my youngest DD's school last year and one of the pictures used was of DD's best friend. This friend had been through a lot during that time. She had suffered greatly with her health (both physically and mentally) and had gone through a lot of crap at home and tbh she was very emotionally vulnerable. However she had been working hard to get better and acccording to DD she was getting better, albeit slowly. I don't really know if the school really knew to what extent she was vulnerable though.

Anyway after this incident occured her friend was devastated and yes, humiliated. She was very upset that they had done that and she kept asking DD why they would do such a thing . Even though she had been getting better until that point she was suddenly knocked back and became withdrawn, teary, etc again.

Two days later she killed herself.

Obviously we can't say for sure, but DD is convinced that incident is what pushed her over the edge as she'd be doing fine until then and only relapsed in the two days after it happened. And tbh I do think she may be right as I also knew her friend and wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Again can't say for sure though.

I have also worked with vulnerable teenagers myself and I could imagine them taking this the wrong way and being very upset, brought on by their other difficulties. Being a teenager is hard enough in itself; being a teenager in a vulnerable position is even harder.

So based on my experience of my DD's friend and working with vulnerable teenagers I admit I am looking at this in a different way to other people.

Maybe this girl and her mother are overreacting but there might be a genuine reason why this girl has taken this to heart and upset by it more than other people may be. Who knows what's going on in her life right now? Her and her mother do know what it is (if anything) so I don't think I'm going to be too harsh on them. They may well have a valid reason for taking it further.

Honestly, some of the arguments on here are akin to the 'well she was wearing a short skirt so she deserves to be raped' school of thought. She put the picture up therefore she deserves to be publically humiliated in a manner which had definite sexual undertones

^^ THIS (courtesy of aremingers) and the rest of her post.

anxioushamster :( exactly the kind of outcome that is to be feared.

Yep, going to the Daily Mail will help loads!

Honestly, some of the arguments on here are akin to the 'well she was wearing a short skirt so she deserves to be raped' school of thought. She put the picture up therefore she deserves to be publically humiliated in a manner which had definite sexual undertones.

What absolute nonsense, and to be honest you're stooping pretty low to try to make a point.

The teacher googled the names of some students and the images came up. If you google my name a picture comes up of me in a bra (doing the moonwalk), if I didn't want people from work seeing this I wouldn't put it up in my name - it's a simple lesson about dignity and privacy and nothing to do with sexual undertones. The fact that people are being hysterical about it just feeds into the idea that there is something to be ashamed of or embarrassed about. This poor girl is now all over the national media being made to feel that she should be ashamed of wearing a bikini top.

What aermingers said

I might be being a bit think, I'm not a big FB user, although I do have an account, but can someone tell me why it is such a big deal for your profile photo to be viewable by people.

If I went to work and my profile picture was beamed up on a screen as an example of what a twat I was for having such lax settings then I'd be more than a little pissed off.

anxioushamster - I'ms sorry to hear about your daughters friend

Anxious - that's terrible.

Like you and others on this thread, I am horrified at how many "well she was asking for it", "what did she expect", "that'll 'learn' her" posts there are on here. She's 15 for heavens sake - a teenager, not emotionally mature, needing to be given a safe environment in which to grow up by the adults around her, not publically humiliated by an adult in a position of trust.

Lurcio - the whole point of the exercise was to demonstrate how all of the pupils were not 'in a safe virtual environment'.

The point was to try to make them aware that their online identity was easily accessible, because the adults around them all can't provide a safe online environment on their behalf. The pupils need to manage that themselves but as anyone who works with young people knows, social media is an open book which young people often have limited awareness of the implications of. We used to be like it with other things when we were teenagers - this huge sense of optimism and naivety , for example 'I know we are supposed to wear motorbike helmets but its much cooler if we don't' and in spite of everyone telling us what common sense should have told us, it took a fatal accident before we did the sensible thing (and not always then)