to think no one should own land and ignore a sign saying private woods

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Ok o will probably get flamed here.

But there is a badly managed woods near me with am old broken sign that say private woods. Aibu to collect a few broken branches for the wood burner? I know it is stealing, but this woods is overgrown and I'm thinking how unethical it is for anyone to own land.

Land used to all be free, until someone carved it all up to hoard for themselves. If land was still free now maybe we wouldn't have to all be working such stupid hours wasting our lives doing a job we don't like.

"I'm thinking how unethical it is for anyone to own land."

Why?

We own our house and the land it is on. Is that unethical?

If land was still free now maybe we wouldn't have to all be working such stupid hours wasting our lives doing a job we don't like.

What?! This doesn't make an ounce of sense!

WTF? That has to be the most ridiculous justification for stealing I've heard. Unethical to own land?!?!

Yes, land is free for all - apart from the farmers that pay for it. Do you really think you'd be working less if you had a couple of acres to feed your family and no food in the shops?

Don't take stuff that's not yours unless you are a regular shop lifter with no conscience. It might be under some management scheme where nothing is to be done in there - you don't know.

You could always just do the free and easy polite and friendly thing to do, and just pick up the bloody phone and ring the landowner!

Umm, land has never been "all free". Where did you get that idea?

Why dont you just ask the owner if he minds you collecting wood?

If you want to be an anarchist, be an anarchist; i.e. take the wood.

But be prepared to go to jail if you get caught breaking the laws that the rest of society has decided it needs.

why don't you get hold of whoever does own the land and ask them? Chances are they'll tell you to help yourself.

Would you mind if someone came into your garden and picked all your flowers and dug up your veg?

Yabu, it's theft. Over grown woodland is a haven for wildlife. Maybe it's been left that way for a reason?

Unethical my arse. Don't you have a garden?

I'm talking more about the 1% that own 99% of land in the UK.

People that do own land in the UK only really own the top soil, nothing underneath.

Erm I own land (inc a small wooded area, not sure I could call it an actual wood) and we've even shot a dog who was worrying our sheep on our private land (if anyone remembers my thread on next doors devil dog he did it several more times before we took action :-( )... There's no public right of way through any of it either which is a bonus.

Why not just find out who owns it and ask if you can? Or better still ask if you can buy it and then you can return it to its former glory :-)

Hehe we have a woods, it is fenced and has a big private sign - go in there and you will likely run in to lots of our wild pigs and boar... enjoy!

Badly managed woods mean rotten trees and falling branches so be careful if you plan to trespass. Definitely don't go in with small children.

When was land free? Do you mean before the enclosure movement when more land was commons? That's quite a long time ago and our legal system has moved on somewhat since then. In any case the number of people in the UK has increased to a point where subsistence farming really isn't practical.

As a more crucial principle - your ethical stance doesn't give you the right to ignore laws. If we all did that it would be anarchy and no one benefits from that.

'All property is theft' eh?

I bet the 'i'll park on someone else's drive if it feel like it' woman is wishing she had had the presence of mind to invoke that argument.

Oh good grief, why did you bother asking.
It's a few twigs, just go and do it if you want to.
Just make sure you watch out for the farmer and his shotgun

"People that do own land in the UK only really own the top soil, nothing underneath."

Yeah, cos that would be really weird, and how do you keep track of moving magma. Maybe it was your magma flying out of a vulcano the other day?

(Sorry, just felt an insane need to say something equally stupid)

Back to your topsoil, who owns the carrots or potatoes growing under the topsoil? With your logic you only own the likes of pumpkins.....

OK, well, I find it unethical that people own anything, so I'll just pop by your place and see what I fancy today :) I'm sure you wont mind a bit.

How do you find out who "owns" some land?

Unethical as it isn't ours, and we are not the only species.

Surely someone else must of heard of when land was free? Before men claimed rights to it?

It's a bloody big debate to get into just for some firewood....

your ethical stance doesn't give you the right to ignore laws

THIS. Says it all really.

Yeah, someone round our way did that.

Broke the padlock, went in and camped with all their mates for a back-to-nature, we-are-the-people weekend party.

Shame the little wood was actually owned by a wildlife trust and the party people destroyed a colony of rare plants being carefully nurtured in the only tiny space left free from humans.

QuintessentiallyQS its you that doesn't understand it. We have no extraction or mineral rights in the UK.

What a weird thread

I agree with aturtlenamedmack. We the peasants should be allowed to pick up dead wood lying on the ground.