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to be hesitating to take action?

104 replies

ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 17:20

My work colleague (same role, we even share an office) has, I think, had a bit of a crush on me for a while. Lots of long stares at me in meetings, always tries to create scenarios where he and I would be alone, sits opposite me at every opportunity (meetings, social events, lunchtime) and makes borderline inappropriate comments (you should come and live with me).

I am happily in a long term relationship, we live together with our kids from previous relationships and I think I give off nothing but unflirtatious vibes towards my office mate. Nonetheless, he persists.

Yesterday I helped him work out a piece of software - firstly over the phone - to which his reaction was "thank you thank you I love you I love you I love you". Odd in itself as we are very senior civil servants working in a very serious govt department and we do not have that sort of working relationship - it's a very formal place. Then, he came to find me later (as I sit in with different colleagues to work on a new project for a day a week) to thank me again.

Note: I am NOT the only person who knows how the software works and he had been allocated another colleague (who knows it far better than I do) to assist him - she was in the office and could have helped him - but he chose to ask me.

I quickly ran through it again for him - he was standing behind me - and once done, he said "can I hug you?" I said "no!", then "NO!" again and for a third time "NO!" but he put his arm across my chest and squeezed, with his head against my neck. I was shaking with rage as I said "NEVER do that again." My colleagues were shocked at what had just happened and I immediately went up to HR to seek advice.

I was told that he has form for this, and that I should stay away from him - especially where alcohol might be present - and not be on my own with him. REALLY??? He shouldn't be told to control himself - it's on ME to ensure it doesn't happen again??!!

Then I got an email from him, apologising for the hug, saying he had been having a bad day and that he's not DLT. My reaction: regardless of what sort of day you are having, if a colleague says "no" to physical contact, you respect that. Added to the very creepy behaviour I have endured for almost 2 years from him (none of which admissible), I want to deal with this but not sure how.

Should I reply to his email, copying in HR, saying that he should respect my personal and professional boundaries? Or should I force HR to deal with it as clearly similar has happened before? I discovered today that he has been taking one of our most junior (we are the most senior) female members of staff out for cosy pub lunches - she told me herself as we were having lunch together and she said how different it was to just grab a wrap and have a chat rather than have to sit in a pub for an hour or more. So I'm now concerned that he may be starting on her and taking advantage of her inability to say no to one of the "bosses".

What would you all do if you were me?

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gincamparidryvermouth · 25/09/2014 17:23

I would fucking kick off.

FunkyBoldRibena · 25/09/2014 17:27

I'd flip my fucking lid.

annielouisa · 25/09/2014 17:27

A government agency must have clearly set out protocol to deal with this type of harassment. Read up on the way it should be dealt with and make sure HR follow that approach and not just leave to fend off this pathetic article, they have been protecting for too long

Heels99 · 25/09/2014 17:29

Yes send the email and copy to hr and your manager and his manager. State if there are further issues you will have no option but to submit a formal grievance.
Make a file note for yourself of everything that has happen so far, dates, witnesses, what happened, what hr said.
Keep copy of all relevant emails.
Well done for challenge the behavior.

littlemslazybones · 25/09/2014 17:31

For your sake and hers, I would turn the screw on your inept HR dept.

Chippednailvarnish · 25/09/2014 17:32

I was told that he has form for this, and that I should stay away from him - especially where alcohol might be present - and not be on my own with him

Why? Because you are responsible for stopping this poor weak minded man from unwantedly touching you as you are just so irresistible?

I bloody think so. I'd go apeshit, first at your manager, then at him and then at HR.

He "has form for this"?!? WTAF.

gincamparidryvermouth · 25/09/2014 17:33

Also, "I'm not DLT" is, IMO, an explicit acknowledgement that he was touching you in an inappropriate way and in a way which you were uncomfortable with. This motherfucker knows EXACTLY how unhappy women feel about the way he touches them and he doesn't give a shit. He is saying that YOU are at fault for "misinterpreting" his touching and he is effectively telling you that your feelings are wrong. I'd want to come down on him like a ton of bricks.

ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 17:38

Thanks. I've been seething with anger about it - his disrespect and the fact he has probably been trying to think of a way to touch me for ages have had my stomach churning all last night and today. I want to deal with this properly and force our pathetic "personnel" officer to do her fucking job.

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BaffledSomeMore · 25/09/2014 17:42

I'd take it to the union too because the HR dept have put the onus on you to protect yourself rather than them deal with a known pest.

ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 17:54

No more hesitation. I am going to write it all down and take it to personnel tomorrow. I think she needs to be given some guidance on how to react to people who are reporting inappropriate touching by a male colleague, too... Thank you all

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Chippednailvarnish · 25/09/2014 17:57

Make sure you blind copy any emails to your personal address too.

Good luck!

BecauseIsaidS0 · 25/09/2014 18:02

I'd raise hell. And yes, make sure you forward and/or print out copies of all correspondence.

SnakeyMcBadass · 25/09/2014 18:04

You're doing the right thing. Creepy bastard

moxon · 25/09/2014 18:10

Yip. Do it.
A friend recently got attacked in her house and we were talking through how much daily shit women have to put up with which men don't realise (comments touches being followed etc etc), plus the extreme things (exposure rape beatings etc etc) and how intimidating scary annoying awful this can be, and she listed some examples of things that has happened to her. Upon which one of her male friends exclaimed 'that's terrible! How do you manage to attract these weirdos?' What? So this is HER fault?! OUR fault!? And he wasn't a stupid or overtly sexist guy. It's just that the belief that women are to blame for male behaviour is so utterly entrenched un society that men don't even think about it.
Anyway - that sort of comment from OP's HR is not acceptable. If you don't defend your right to be a woman without having to take responsibility for men who do things like this, how will attitudes - and violence - ever be changed?!

Topseyt · 25/09/2014 18:13

He has form!! They have admitted that by the sound of things. Has he been given any formal warnings? If not then why not?

This is harassment and possibly also professional misconduct. Kick off big time.

JumpingBarney · 25/09/2014 18:13

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pluCaChange · 25/09/2014 18:13

Great that he put so.ething in writing, the creep.

What does DLT mean?

Chippednailvarnish · 25/09/2014 18:16

DLT - Dave Lee Travis the DJ recently convicted of groping someone.

ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 18:24

Yes - his "apology" consisted of him telling me what an awful day he was having and that is somehow connected to why he deliberately put his hand across my chest and his head into my neck despite my raised voice, three times telling him "NO". He's a fucking sleaze bag - couldn't agree more with your DLT assessment, gincamparidryvermouth

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Wibblypiglikesbananas · 25/09/2014 18:24

DLT is Dave Lee Travis presumably. One of the Jimmy Saville ilk.

OP - can you involve the police? I'd be tempted to - he is harassing you.

BecauseIsaidS0 · 25/09/2014 18:28

I'm frankly surprised at the utter incompetence of the HR person. In all the firms I've worked, the mere thought of a sexual harassment at work accusation would make them sweat, so this kind of thing would be dealt with swiftly and effectively just to avoid a possible massive payout plus the reputation loss that might ensue. But you say you are civil servants so maybe it's different? Confused

Wibblypiglikesbananas · 25/09/2014 18:30

To add, there is nothing wrong with taking some time off. And talking about constructive dismissal. After all, if him being there makes your position untenable, something needs to change. I'd be making a complaint about 'personnel' and informing them that you have reported the situation to the police.

oldgrandmama · 25/09/2014 18:33

Christ, he really sounds like he thinks he's god's gift, doesn't he? I'd go in with all guns blazing - at managers, HR, etc. etc. What an atrocious way to behave.

Topseyt · 25/09/2014 18:33

If your HR department are aware of the problems with his behaviour, and it sounds like they do, then he really ought to be on official warnings by now. It is harassment/misconduct, and it has happened before.

Instead, he is sharing an office with you. I would be jumping up and down and stamping my feet until they changed that, at the very least.

EduCated · 25/09/2014 18:42

Are you in a union? HR sound like they need a bloody rocket putting under them!

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