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to be hesitating to take action?

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ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 17:20

My work colleague (same role, we even share an office) has, I think, had a bit of a crush on me for a while. Lots of long stares at me in meetings, always tries to create scenarios where he and I would be alone, sits opposite me at every opportunity (meetings, social events, lunchtime) and makes borderline inappropriate comments (you should come and live with me).

I am happily in a long term relationship, we live together with our kids from previous relationships and I think I give off nothing but unflirtatious vibes towards my office mate. Nonetheless, he persists.

Yesterday I helped him work out a piece of software - firstly over the phone - to which his reaction was "thank you thank you I love you I love you I love you". Odd in itself as we are very senior civil servants working in a very serious govt department and we do not have that sort of working relationship - it's a very formal place. Then, he came to find me later (as I sit in with different colleagues to work on a new project for a day a week) to thank me again.

Note: I am NOT the only person who knows how the software works and he had been allocated another colleague (who knows it far better than I do) to assist him - she was in the office and could have helped him - but he chose to ask me.

I quickly ran through it again for him - he was standing behind me - and once done, he said "can I hug you?" I said "no!", then "NO!" again and for a third time "NO!" but he put his arm across my chest and squeezed, with his head against my neck. I was shaking with rage as I said "NEVER do that again." My colleagues were shocked at what had just happened and I immediately went up to HR to seek advice.

I was told that he has form for this, and that I should stay away from him - especially where alcohol might be present - and not be on my own with him. REALLY??? He shouldn't be told to control himself - it's on ME to ensure it doesn't happen again??!!

Then I got an email from him, apologising for the hug, saying he had been having a bad day and that he's not DLT. My reaction: regardless of what sort of day you are having, if a colleague says "no" to physical contact, you respect that. Added to the very creepy behaviour I have endured for almost 2 years from him (none of which admissible), I want to deal with this but not sure how.

Should I reply to his email, copying in HR, saying that he should respect my personal and professional boundaries? Or should I force HR to deal with it as clearly similar has happened before? I discovered today that he has been taking one of our most junior (we are the most senior) female members of staff out for cosy pub lunches - she told me herself as we were having lunch together and she said how different it was to just grab a wrap and have a chat rather than have to sit in a pub for an hour or more. So I'm now concerned that he may be starting on her and taking advantage of her inability to say no to one of the "bosses".

What would you all do if you were me?

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pluCaChange · 26/09/2014 13:00

Perhaps he slimed the HR person as well, and she's too ashamed to admit thst she did nothing, and was relieved when he moved on?

Or perhaps she's just seen this sirt of thing happen too much for it not to be

YonicScrewdriver · 26/09/2014 13:03

Christ!

Well done OP and it think senior HR should be involved pronto,

Remember, he touched you without your consent and he knows it and admitted it. You can report that assault to the police.

pluCaChange · 26/09/2014 13:04

"normal". Also, HR is often regarded as either full of weaklings/incompetents OR not a department that the rest of management really want, because HR, like Compliance, represents a constraint on business and action and cutting corners.

iK8 · 26/09/2014 13:20

HR is often regarded as either full of weaklings/incompetents OR not a department that the rest of management really want

The best HR people I ever worked with were terrifyingly good at their job. No nonsense, tough as anything and total heroes of the business. I aspire to be like them.

But for every HR hero there are two woolly "I'm in HR because I really like people" wet blankets. I'd like to see this lot shuffle off to history. Or HR admin functions.

quietbatperson · 26/09/2014 13:21

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iK8 · 26/09/2014 13:24

Stand firm op. You are doing the right thing. You are not doing anything. You are simply finishing what someone else has started.

I suggest the "Why are you doing this?" HR person asks the CIPD why. Or an employment lawyer. What a total berk Angry

PersonOfInterest · 26/09/2014 13:26

She sounds as bad as him. Good for you. Wonder what else he's got away with. And what she's brushed off.

Nomama · 26/09/2014 13:28

Bloody hell! So I was being extremely positive then?!?!?!?

What the hell do they think they are doing? They are virtually handing you a tribunal decision on a plate!

Twonks!

MissM · 26/09/2014 13:30

Make sure you write down absolutely everything that has happened and happens with him from now on. Is there a colleague you know and trust who would come to meetings with you? S/he could write things down so you don't need to remember them and make sure you've asked all the questions/ made all the points you wanted to make which sometimes get forgotten when you're in a meeting like that. It would also mean that something is on record as it sounds as though your HR person is completely useless (also ex-civil service, and have also experienced near useless HR).

Very impressed by your assertiveness though, well done you.

Johnogroats · 26/09/2014 13:32

It is not just a grievance against DLT sleazy bloke...it is also against inept HR.

ThePerUnaBomber · 26/09/2014 16:59

Manager has asked me to make a formal complaint. He is one of the good guys - said "even if he (DLT-wannabe) has a nervous breakdown as a result, that's his own stupid fault." So I am confident that manager will deal with this in the official way.

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BecauseIsaidS0 · 26/09/2014 18:08

I'm so pleased to hear that!

KatieKaye · 26/09/2014 18:35

I'm glad this is being taken seriously.
It's worth remembering the civil service is supposed to follow best practice and this HR person was ignoring written policies and procedures and basically trying to sweep everything under the carpet. That is also a disciplinary matter. There could have been other women similarly affected who were turned away when they went to HR. Good on you for following through

gincamparidryvermouth · 26/09/2014 18:41

Excellent!

turkeyboots · 26/09/2014 19:03

Great news.

AlpacaMyBags · 26/09/2014 19:17

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moxon · 26/09/2014 19:52

Omg I would love to eat/drink a chocolate teapot alpaca!!! Grin

Aridane · 26/09/2014 19:57

Gosh, HR sound worse than DLT...

pluCaChange · 26/09/2014 20:20

Who put you in the same office in the first place?

ThePerUnaBomber · 26/09/2014 21:09

Ha! Great question, plusca. My most recent manager did it - but she has had a sudden removal of her line management and other responsibilities. not sure she was making great decisions back then...

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Chippednailvarnish · 26/09/2014 21:25

I'm really hoping that this goes well for you!

Twentythree9teen · 27/09/2014 02:05

I think the HR person should get fired first, then the hugging guy.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 27/09/2014 03:44

Wow, did she say that, or email it? I'd be very much wanting to take that hr person further too... Imagine her reaction to a serious bullying or sexual assault situation????

ThePerUnaBomber · 27/09/2014 08:05

It took 10 years for that team to deal with a case of serious, damaging bullying that I have never seen the likes of. Several colleagues were signed off with long term anxiety because of one person rather than have that person removed or even dealt with.

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