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to be hesitating to take action?

104 replies

ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 17:20

My work colleague (same role, we even share an office) has, I think, had a bit of a crush on me for a while. Lots of long stares at me in meetings, always tries to create scenarios where he and I would be alone, sits opposite me at every opportunity (meetings, social events, lunchtime) and makes borderline inappropriate comments (you should come and live with me).

I am happily in a long term relationship, we live together with our kids from previous relationships and I think I give off nothing but unflirtatious vibes towards my office mate. Nonetheless, he persists.

Yesterday I helped him work out a piece of software - firstly over the phone - to which his reaction was "thank you thank you I love you I love you I love you". Odd in itself as we are very senior civil servants working in a very serious govt department and we do not have that sort of working relationship - it's a very formal place. Then, he came to find me later (as I sit in with different colleagues to work on a new project for a day a week) to thank me again.

Note: I am NOT the only person who knows how the software works and he had been allocated another colleague (who knows it far better than I do) to assist him - she was in the office and could have helped him - but he chose to ask me.

I quickly ran through it again for him - he was standing behind me - and once done, he said "can I hug you?" I said "no!", then "NO!" again and for a third time "NO!" but he put his arm across my chest and squeezed, with his head against my neck. I was shaking with rage as I said "NEVER do that again." My colleagues were shocked at what had just happened and I immediately went up to HR to seek advice.

I was told that he has form for this, and that I should stay away from him - especially where alcohol might be present - and not be on my own with him. REALLY??? He shouldn't be told to control himself - it's on ME to ensure it doesn't happen again??!!

Then I got an email from him, apologising for the hug, saying he had been having a bad day and that he's not DLT. My reaction: regardless of what sort of day you are having, if a colleague says "no" to physical contact, you respect that. Added to the very creepy behaviour I have endured for almost 2 years from him (none of which admissible), I want to deal with this but not sure how.

Should I reply to his email, copying in HR, saying that he should respect my personal and professional boundaries? Or should I force HR to deal with it as clearly similar has happened before? I discovered today that he has been taking one of our most junior (we are the most senior) female members of staff out for cosy pub lunches - she told me herself as we were having lunch together and she said how different it was to just grab a wrap and have a chat rather than have to sit in a pub for an hour or more. So I'm now concerned that he may be starting on her and taking advantage of her inability to say no to one of the "bosses".

What would you all do if you were me?

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hamptoncourt · 25/09/2014 18:50

Are you and FDA or PCS member?

If not why not join up sharpish and they will sort this out for you.

quietbatperson · 25/09/2014 18:55

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ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 18:58

Yes, I am in a union and i will be seeking advice. Apart from dealing with the harassment, I'm going to use this as a forum to get our HR team some of the help and training they badly need.

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OfaFrenchMind · 25/09/2014 19:05

Fight. Seriously, you should not have to put up with that. And keep whatever answer you got from HR. Contact an Union, or if you can an Ombudsman, they can overrule and audit the HR if necessary (and it is, obviously!)

pluCaChange · 25/09/2014 19:06

Did he actually use the abbreviation DLT? That's fucking flippant. He really doesn't see anything wrong with his little groping victory,does he? Nor does HR, apparently... Hmm

Nomama · 25/09/2014 19:14

HR may not be as useless as you think. If there have been previous occasions he will have notes on his file, he may already have a written warning or two. You cannot be told if he has - what you have been told breaks confidentiality...

So, write it all up and then contact your union. Get them to lead you on how best to proceed.

Good luck.

Llareggub · 25/09/2014 19:20

You should raise the grievance with your manager in the first instance, with a copy to the person who heads up your organisation.

ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 19:30

Yep, he said "I'm not DLT". And rationalised his deliberate ignoring of my "NO" as due to his bad day. I'm so glad I posted as I was about to reply to his email. There is a "bigger" HR that I can go to, that oversees my silly HR person - so I will contact them tomorrow after I have spoken to my rep. My manager is very new, so doubt he will be aware. I would be very surprised if anything was written down - our conversation yesterday was not recorded - she has a copy of the email he sent.

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Wibblypiglikesbananas · 25/09/2014 19:39

Dear God, this gets worse. Don't attend any meetings without proper union support.

turkeyboots · 25/09/2014 19:40

Can your countersigning officer help (boss's boss) especially if your manager is new or do you have a mentor who can intervene?

Government HR is beyond useless. Anyone good does the training and leaves to private sector for more money it seems. Union might be more helpful, but may not be geared up to help you at a senior level, as union officers tend to be executive officer themselves.

A formal complaint might help as at least there is a procces to be followed. Good luck, I do love working in Government but something's are properly craps - like HR

pluCaChange · 25/09/2014 19:41

' rationalised his deliberate ignoring of my "NO" as due to his bad day'

Well, he won't get a hug on his next bloody "bad day", as that will be the day he's callwd to task for this.

Seriously, why should his "bad day" become someone else's? You said "no," and pretty forcefully, too.

ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 19:46

Couldn't agree more, turkeyboots - it's a real brain drain.

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KatieKaye · 25/09/2014 19:46

Aaaarrrggghhh!
Former civil servant here.
This us clearly harassment and HR know it.
All govt depths have to have policies and procedures in place.
Go to the head of hr and make a formal complaint.
Are you in PCS or FDA? If so, contact your rep.
This should never happen far less be fobbed off.
Re the comment about alcohol: surely your dept also has a policy about alcohol at work?

ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 19:58

Absolutely there is a policy - just been rewritten, in fact. Thanks for the good pointers. Will check it out tomorrow.

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ThePerUnaBomber · 25/09/2014 20:09

Thank you, everybody. Really grateful for your posts.

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iK8 · 25/09/2014 20:09

Shameful response from HR. Shameful.

It is not hard to deal with harrassment in the workplace but all too often it seems people are afraid to do it. If this was my HR department heads would roll.

quietbatperson · 25/09/2014 20:21

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Itsfab · 25/09/2014 20:43

Do NOT reply to his emails.

Saying he is not DLT is creepy and designed to control your feelings of what he has done.

I fucking hate that you can't be safe in the world anymore. I went for osteopathy treatment and was assaulted. I did nothing and I am still fucking livid with myself for being too terrified to say anything. I thought it can't be happening.

Please do not keep quiet about this and raise merry hell about the comments that you keep away from him. VICTIM BLAMING ANYONE? Angry.

ClaudetteWyms · 25/09/2014 21:52

As a former employee of a Serious Government Department I can't say I am very surprised about HR's reaction. I agree with all those saying you should take this further, with HR. That they apparently know he is a risk and he is still employed there is inexcusable and heads should be rolling.

Well done for taking this further OP, I hope it goes well tomorrow.

ThePerUnaBomber · 26/09/2014 12:47

Reaction of HR person: "oh no, why are you doing this?". It's gone to my line manager (and hers) with my statement and I expect to be called in to my manager this afternoon.

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moxon · 26/09/2014 12:52

Jeezlouise - your HR person is a real piece, isn't she/he?! Good luck and well done. The more people flag up this sort of behaviour as unacceptable, the more unacceptable it will become as a whole.

ItsFunnierInEnochian · 26/09/2014 12:56

I would go fucking mental.

Its creepy, horrible, unprofessional and gross. WHY should women have to protect ourselves from these idiots? If nobody bothers to tell these fucking morons that their behaviour is wrong they will continue to do it.

heebiegeebie · 26/09/2014 12:57

"oh no, why are you doing this?"

Shock Shock

heebiegeebie · 26/09/2014 12:58

Really glad you had witnesses to the hug, and he's shot himself in the foot with that email. Make sure you save it.