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AIBU to think they should pay for our stuff

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jammiecat · 22/09/2014 16:23

Sorry this is likely to be long. First time posting in AIBU but prepared to be told IABU, and I know I was partly. Anyway, went on holiday and asked friend and neighbour to feed the cats. Came back to find she had taken it upon herself to clean and tidy our house, enlisting the help of a couple of friends. All sounds good until we discovered three bags of DS toys (none of which were broken, and included 2 week old birthday presents) in the bin. We then found further toys and other stuff e.g. the blade from my food processor, instruction manuals to the oven, washing machine etc scattered throughout the bin (this required several searches through the bin which was full of maggots - really grim job!). We also had search through the house to find our paperwork, toys etc. At the end of which we had retrieved approx £200 worth of stuff in the bin (some of it was bits from toys etc but that would be the replacement cost) but a further £100 of missing items including the remote to DS birthday present, and his favourite jigsaw.

This is where I was a bit unreasonable as I emailed my friend, mainly so I could set out exactly what was missing, how much it cost and that I expected it to be paid for without getting all upset and emotional and the message being lost. I just emailed my friend who had the key as she organised it but left to discuss with the others (although I suspect and she says she didn't, personally throw anything away, the other two clearly did). She and one of the others has gone completely mad denying throwing anything out, that we obviously just haven't found it yet (we have already been through the whole house and it's definitely not here), telling me they just wanted to make room for the kids to play (we have baby twins and a toddler) and that the toys they had abandoned to the elements in the garden clearly weren't being played with (this is nonsense). Yes our house is rather untidy, not easy keeping on top of it with 3 young children, but there is still room to play and ultimately it is our house, we didn't ask them to do it, and I don't see why I should have to justify our lifestyle or housekeeping habits to anyone else as it's none of their business. I've been left feeling judged and betrayed by my friend but she is acting like I should be grateful (for losing £100 of our belongings!) and that she is the injured party. She was coming with me to a baby activity which requires 1:1 with the twins but has now pulled out so that will be £200 wasted unless I can swap it to the weekend, and leaves a rather empty week as I only have 2 other activities (I am on maternity leave) and don't know of any other activities where I can go with 2 babies. It feels like she's punishing the twins for this, and all we asked her to do was look after our cats. I wish we had never asked her.

Anyway if you have got to the end accepting that I should have spoken to her rather than emailed am I being unreasonable to be upset by this and be asking her to pay or should I just suck up the losses and apologise as she seems to think I should? Would be grateful for other views on this.

Just to add and so as not to drip feed, she has helped a lot with babysitting particularly since the twins arrived which obviously would have cost us if we had to pay someone (she is now chucking that back in my face too but does that really make it OK for us to have lost all our things?)

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angelos02 · 23/09/2014 10:34

I'd ring the police. No question.

jammiecat · 24/09/2014 01:00

fuzzpig your dream is my life at the moment!

For those who have wondered by the way, the house wasn't dirty just cluttered.

And an update for anyone interested. Friendship is officially over. Apparently I am a horrible person for reacting the way I did (i.e. raising it with her it would seem), I'm a bad parent for not having an immaculate house and I'm emotionally blackmailing her for saying that I don't want the children to suffer by not seeing her as they enjoy spending time with her. That was never my intention! (I'm paraphrasing a bit but these are the main messages). I give up. I really don't care anymore, she clearly is no sort of friend if that's what she thinks. She is obviously feeling hard done by as she didn't actually throw anything out herself and I do feel sorry for her in that regards, but she is accepting no responsibility for organising it - she was after all the one with the key! I have had an apology from the 2nd friend, no communication at all from the 3rd friend (who it transpires is the one who threw most of the things out including the toys). It's all such a mess and I do feel so sad that the friendship is over, and I really don't know what will become of the 3rd friend. Before this she was a really good friend and I will miss her and this is why I would never involve the police. All in all though a really crappy week, after what had been a really lovely family holiday.

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sykadelic · 24/09/2014 02:37

MokunMokun I feel your pain. I've been sick for almost a week. The dishes weren't done. The stove-top hadn't been wiped down. Floor hasn't been swept. I was too busy trying not to cough up a lung. Not to mention I had no sense of smell I was so congested. I'd be horrified if someone came to my house yesterday (all good today) and judged me based on that. I judged myself I just didn't have the strength to do anything about it!

Also, OP, I think you're well rid. I cannot imagine a single person I know thinking that would help anyone for exactly the reasons you said. I don't know what you value just as you don't know what I value. You see junk, I see memories, or the part to that machine I've been looking for etc etc.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 24/09/2014 03:07

For fuvks sake I've typed a long message out TWICE and sodding mobile mumsnet has randomly deleted it both times in a row!!!

Basically I feel for you. I used the words- salacious and ritual humiliation, and over zealous superiority. Foul foul foul.

I would be desperately upset about what they had done, and the loss of three friendships :(

pluCaChange · 24/09/2014 08:39

So she's a teenager who had a party which got out of control, and is angry at being called on it (not even punished yet!).

Instead of an adult, who could have and should have (a) not had a party, but (b) should have stopped the "carnage" before it started.

The fact that she was an OK babysitter and am insanely irresponsible house-/ cat-sitter makes her sound even more like a teenager.

UncleT · 24/09/2014 09:04

Stop being so nice and go on the offensive. They have grossly overstepped the boundaries and the least they should do is put it right financially. Be clear that she can say what she likes but you still expect it back along with an apology.

diddl · 24/09/2014 09:41

It would be bad enough if she had done it herself, but to invite others over??

She didn't throw stuff out, but also didn't stop it happening or retrieve anything.

BeggingYourPardon · 24/09/2014 09:53

If I petsit for my friends and the house was a tip I would, if I knew it wouldn't upset them, have a quick tidy up, hoover, wash pots and wipe the sides down.

It's nice coming home to a tidy house after a holiday after all.

Throwing somebody else's property away, regardless of the state of the home, is just fucking rude.

All though I wouldn't have wanted any monetary payment off them, they would have been told in no uncertain terms that they were not welcome back in my home, what were they thinking???

MokunMokun · 24/09/2014 10:38

They've probably watched too many of those make over TV programs.

Sorry to hear you have lost your friends though. They really did overstep the mark though.

Nomama · 26/09/2014 13:32

Talking of which, Jammie... they could have redecorated, like that stupid programme that sucked an hour out my life last night...

Your House in Their Hands - worth a watch, once!

Then run for the hills it could be you next!

AmberLav · 26/09/2014 13:47

I have an ex-flatmate that I used to drop by to feed the cats when they were on holiday, and I always laughed when I walked into their kitchen, as I could barely get access to the sink to wash my hands after feeding the cats! Would never have dreamed of cleaning the place (as much as I desperately wanted to) as I know her likes and dislikes (she likes clutter, a reaction to a very tidy house growing up!)

Hissy · 26/09/2014 13:58

Horrific jammie So sorry to hear this.

FWIW, I left my house for 4 days, and when I got back realised that I hadn't taken the bin out. the bin (half full) was alive with maggots.

Your 'friends' are idiots and overstepped the mark massively. they won't be any loss at all.

vezzie · 26/09/2014 14:02

I am appalled by the people asking about how messy the house was in the first place, as if that might offer some sort of justification or explanation. It's irrelevant.

this comes up a lot - people overstepping obvious boundaries in the name of tidiness - and I challenge it wherever I see it because this isn't a trade off situation where the tidiness people have a point. there is no sublety to this, no complicated rights vs liberties issues or anything like that. It's your house, your stuff, they are out of order, THE END

(I had an argument with a really bossy friend once because she was planning to get into her mum's house while she was on holiday and "de-clutter it" - not to do with any actual clutter, but arranging putting several large and well loved pieces of furniture in a skip - "she doesn't need them, she is just hanging on to them for sentimental reasons". Which are her reasons, for keeping her furniture in her house! She didn't really get it but I feel I tried)

RiverTam · 26/09/2014 14:09

I would do absolutely potty about this - the state of your house is irrelevant, she was there to feed pets, that is all.

If the friendship is over then you've nothing to lose by sending one, absolutely crystal clear email outlining exactly what they did wrong. How dare they do any of that without your permission, and as to throwing stuff away, they are very, very lucky you are not involving the police. Tell them that.

I am absolutely fuming on your behalf.

borisgudanov · 26/09/2014 14:58

YANBU. I would go completely berserk.

Apparently she thinks she's entitled to control the lives of people she deems herself "superior" to and to inspect, judge and dictate to others what they may and may not have in their homes. She thinks she can invite Uncle Tom Cobbley and all to do the fucking same, for God's sake. She has driven a cart and horses through your privacy and your rights and has gone well beyond merely U. And when challenged she not only refuses to apologise but actually attacks you for being so ungrateful at her efforts to violate your life and property. Who the jeff does she think she is?

I would read her the riot act in triplicate, make it clear that pigs will fly across the Atlantic before she crosses the threshold again, change the locks and demand compensation. I would then give her seven days in writing to pay up and failing that I'd report her to the police in connection with offences under Section 9 of the Theft Act 1968, and take her to the small claims court. Were you paying her to mind the house and cats? If so you have a contract you can enforce at law. If not it's still a civil tort, she overstepped the limits you set for her and thereby was trespassing and causing damage in doing so.

Does she ask you to go through and chuck out her stuff when she goes on holiday and march all your friends through her house? Thought not.

Cirsium · 26/09/2014 15:22

I thought my cat sitter was bad when I came back to find they had fed my cat, which is on a diet, completely different food and far more of it than I had asked. I would be so angry and really upset to find anyone I had entrusted with keys to my home had been through my things in the way your 'friends' have done to you. The most I have done when pet sitting for others is wash the animals dishes and clear up the dead birds they had brought in.

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