Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

AIBU to think they should pay for our stuff

116 replies

jammiecat · 22/09/2014 16:23

Sorry this is likely to be long. First time posting in AIBU but prepared to be told IABU, and I know I was partly. Anyway, went on holiday and asked friend and neighbour to feed the cats. Came back to find she had taken it upon herself to clean and tidy our house, enlisting the help of a couple of friends. All sounds good until we discovered three bags of DS toys (none of which were broken, and included 2 week old birthday presents) in the bin. We then found further toys and other stuff e.g. the blade from my food processor, instruction manuals to the oven, washing machine etc scattered throughout the bin (this required several searches through the bin which was full of maggots - really grim job!). We also had search through the house to find our paperwork, toys etc. At the end of which we had retrieved approx £200 worth of stuff in the bin (some of it was bits from toys etc but that would be the replacement cost) but a further £100 of missing items including the remote to DS birthday present, and his favourite jigsaw.

This is where I was a bit unreasonable as I emailed my friend, mainly so I could set out exactly what was missing, how much it cost and that I expected it to be paid for without getting all upset and emotional and the message being lost. I just emailed my friend who had the key as she organised it but left to discuss with the others (although I suspect and she says she didn't, personally throw anything away, the other two clearly did). She and one of the others has gone completely mad denying throwing anything out, that we obviously just haven't found it yet (we have already been through the whole house and it's definitely not here), telling me they just wanted to make room for the kids to play (we have baby twins and a toddler) and that the toys they had abandoned to the elements in the garden clearly weren't being played with (this is nonsense). Yes our house is rather untidy, not easy keeping on top of it with 3 young children, but there is still room to play and ultimately it is our house, we didn't ask them to do it, and I don't see why I should have to justify our lifestyle or housekeeping habits to anyone else as it's none of their business. I've been left feeling judged and betrayed by my friend but she is acting like I should be grateful (for losing £100 of our belongings!) and that she is the injured party. She was coming with me to a baby activity which requires 1:1 with the twins but has now pulled out so that will be £200 wasted unless I can swap it to the weekend, and leaves a rather empty week as I only have 2 other activities (I am on maternity leave) and don't know of any other activities where I can go with 2 babies. It feels like she's punishing the twins for this, and all we asked her to do was look after our cats. I wish we had never asked her.

Anyway if you have got to the end accepting that I should have spoken to her rather than emailed am I being unreasonable to be upset by this and be asking her to pay or should I just suck up the losses and apologise as she seems to think I should? Would be grateful for other views on this.

Just to add and so as not to drip feed, she has helped a lot with babysitting particularly since the twins arrived which obviously would have cost us if we had to pay someone (she is now chucking that back in my face too but does that really make it OK for us to have lost all our things?)

OP posts:
GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 22/09/2014 17:14

I was just asking because it sounded like the things your former friend threw away were mostly dry and wouldn't have caused maggots. If the maggot were from before you went on holiday then it might suggest that the state of the house had got on top of you and your DP. It's understandable with 3 very small children that the house might have got into a mess but maggots in the bin is a bit beyond that. It might suggest that your friend's "intervention" was justified. Clearly it's your home but it does sound like your friend was trying to help you. I think it really is hard to give a definite answer without seeing the state of your house beforehand. Does it look nicer now putting aside the issue of them throwing stuff away?

bloodyteenagers · 22/09/2014 17:14

Doesn't matter really if you are living in a hoarders paradise. That is for you and your partner to sort out. These people over stepped boundaries and yes they should pay for their meddling. They weren't asked to do any of this. It's their own faults that they will now have to cough up some cash. Who knows, might make them engage their brains in future and work out normal boundaries.

TheRealAmandaClarke · 22/09/2014 17:15

She might see the error of her ways. I imagine she is embarrassed (and should be) by her behaviour.

maninawomansworld · 22/09/2014 17:21

Wow.
I would hit the roof if I was in your position. I would seriously consider ending the friendship unless I received a hugely grovelling apology pronto.
Even if the house was like something off a daytime TV show, it's still none of anyone else's concern!

Castlemilk · 22/09/2014 17:22

What the fuck?! Shock

I would now re-email stating that I think she may have the seriousness of what she has actually done, and to recap: she used her access to your house to go through your personal effects and remove a significant amount of stuff. You expect the monetary value for these as well as the costs of changing your locks to be met by her or you will be going to the police. You have pictures of the items thrown and broken by her and will be taking it further.

And after that I'd have no more to do with her!

LemonadeRayGun · 22/09/2014 17:23

I am really shocked that someone would do this! At the very most, if she thought your house was a state and your kids were suffering (which I've no idea if this is likely to be accurate!!) then she should have spoken to you and said she wanted to help and would you like her to tidy your house. I would be LIVID if someone tidied my house without asking, and threw stuff away. I don't think you are unreasonable at all and I think your friend is incredibly odd and has significant social boundary issues!

Also I don't think maggots in a bin are an indicator of anything other than stuff like food having been in a bin that hasn't been taken by the bin men yet. We have had maggots in our outdoor food waste several times. Gross.

jammiecat · 22/09/2014 17:26

Ghoul- definitely not that bad. Basic hygiene still firmly in place just a bit cluttered. We seem to suffer from maggots in the summer (I know others with immaculate houses with the same issue with their outside bin) i blame the fortnightly collections and of course we do end up with a lot of nappies on the bin usually. The food was fine but we couldn't use it before we went away hence why I chucked it. The thing is the house isn't getting on top of us at all. No more than a lot of people. As I said up thread some pre-holiday mayhem and lived in!

OP posts:
VinoTime · 22/09/2014 17:26

Imagine going through somebody's personal possessions and throwing their things away while they're on holiday ShockShockShock

That's just beyond belief. I wouldn't care how close the friendship was, they'd be getting a piece of my mind! She has massively overstepped. I could understand a friend coming in and perhaps washing those 3 glasses you never have time to rinse out before needing to leave, or even picking up the few bits scattered on the floor from a stressful departure, but to actually de-clutter your house for you?! That's...insane Confused

Viviennemary · 22/09/2014 17:30

This really was bordering on a criminal offence. These people had no right whatsoever to do what they did however well meaning they say they were. The two friends did not have your permission to enter your house. This is really bad IMHO.

Christmascandles · 22/09/2014 17:32

YANBU
Your friend has hugely overstepped the boundary. I also have a feeling that Amanda is along the right lines when she mentions that the friend feels superior to you.

It doesn't matter if your DC had a whole room full of broken old toys, or brand news ones. It is your DC and your home and you can have what you like. It really is none of her business.

I can actually understand why you emailed and I think I may have done the same as I really wouldn't have wanted to speak to her.

The fact that she baby sat for you for free has absolutely nothing to do with throwing away your belongings. To throw that back at you is making her look like a bitch IMO.

I really don't think you have got any chance at all of recovering the money from her. She probably thinks you ought to be paying her for de cluttering your house!!

Personally I wouldn't be able to come back from this.

AbbieHoffmansAfro · 22/09/2014 17:32

There's nothing 'nice' about what she did, there really isn't. It's incredibly insensitive and high-handed, as well as shockingly unkind to throw children's toys away.

Do walk away from the friendship. and please make sure nothing is missing- a radical 'tidy-up' would be a good way to disguise stealing.

AbbieHoffmansAfro · 22/09/2014 17:33

Sorry, obviously things are missing. I meant to say, that none of your valuables are missing.

trixymalixy · 22/09/2014 17:33

YANBU!! That's shocking that they went through all of your stuff!!!

whoopsadazy · 22/09/2014 17:35

What the shitting fuck?

What have I just read?

Your friend was looking after your cats while your were on holiday but roped other people into tidying it up and chucking out a load of your stuff?

Either she's not right and has massive boundary issues OR she has tried to help you but massively misjudged.

Wing out knowing everyone involved, I think, seeing she has roped two other people in, who must share her viewpoint, it seems more likely to me that they think (rightly or wrongly) your house was getting dangerous. I can almost imagine one person getting it completely wrong and acting in such an odd way, but three?

And while I agree that even if your house resembled Stig of the Dump style decor, it was YOUR house and they had no right to just wade in, maybe they have actually done you a favour?

I don't know, this is beyond all of my experience of what is ok.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 22/09/2014 17:38

"Ultimately it is our house, we didn't ask them to do it, and I don't see why I should have to justify our lifestyle or housekeeping habits to anyone else as it's none of their business."

Too bloody right! How dare she invite people into your house while you're away? The keys were given in order to feed the cats, not have others round to pry through your things and chuck stuff out. The fecking nerve!

The money you will have to write off. Just like that alleged friendship.

MoonHare · 22/09/2014 17:38

Wow yanbu to feel betrayed by your 'friend'.

As a dispassionate outsider it sounds to me as if she is judgemental of you and your lifestyle. Some people enjoy playing the martyr to their friends - forever 'helping' them out and feeling better about themselves believing they are superior. She has probably been itching to get into your house and make it look like she thinks it should and has probably gossiped about this to the others she dragged in too.

She's not and probably never has been a genuine friend. Don't apologise to her and don't ask her for money again (she probably already likes to see you as grabby). Draw a line under it, let her know how hurt you feel if you want to, and then leave things to cool off. Maybe you'll patch it up in time, maybe you'll decide you don't want someone so judgey and self righteous in your life but be prepared to have to start paying for baby sitters.

fuzzpig · 22/09/2014 17:39

Fucking hell. I would be furious and would feel totally violated.

LoveBeingAwakeInTheNight · 22/09/2014 17:41

Wow I don't know how I would have reacted but I don't think you have overreacted

burgatroyd · 22/09/2014 17:42

Be honest? Did the toys look like rubbish in the garden?

You and your friend obviously have a relationship where she helps out lots and this seems an extension of that. It seems like she's giving loads of help, saw what looked like junk, and decided to get rid if it for you. I'd apologise.

LindyHemming · 22/09/2014 17:42

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ChasedByBees · 22/09/2014 17:44

Bloody hell that's terrible behaviour from them. I'd try and find someone else - anyone else - to go to the class with. It would be the end of the friendship. I don't think there's any way back from this for you if she expects you to be grateful for throwing away your things and rifling through your stuff and now wants an apology because you're pissed off about it!

The teacher at our baby class used to take one of the twins in the class to 'demonstrate' on. Could you contact her and see if there's anyway she can help?

HouseAtreides · 22/09/2014 17:44

Apologise TO HER for getting rightly upset and angry that somebody threw away £200 worth of my stuff, including two week old birthday presents? Fuck that!

OddFodd · 22/09/2014 17:47

Bloody hell. I'd never speak to someone again. How dare she?!

Did they all know you hadn't sanctioned this?

ArgyMargy · 22/09/2014 17:49

Were they making a TV programme?

OneSkinnyChip · 22/09/2014 17:49

YANBU. I can imagine that in some parallel universe in your friend's head she thought she was being helpful but her behaviour is totally abnormal.