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AIBU to think they should pay for our stuff

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jammiecat · 22/09/2014 16:23

Sorry this is likely to be long. First time posting in AIBU but prepared to be told IABU, and I know I was partly. Anyway, went on holiday and asked friend and neighbour to feed the cats. Came back to find she had taken it upon herself to clean and tidy our house, enlisting the help of a couple of friends. All sounds good until we discovered three bags of DS toys (none of which were broken, and included 2 week old birthday presents) in the bin. We then found further toys and other stuff e.g. the blade from my food processor, instruction manuals to the oven, washing machine etc scattered throughout the bin (this required several searches through the bin which was full of maggots - really grim job!). We also had search through the house to find our paperwork, toys etc. At the end of which we had retrieved approx £200 worth of stuff in the bin (some of it was bits from toys etc but that would be the replacement cost) but a further £100 of missing items including the remote to DS birthday present, and his favourite jigsaw.

This is where I was a bit unreasonable as I emailed my friend, mainly so I could set out exactly what was missing, how much it cost and that I expected it to be paid for without getting all upset and emotional and the message being lost. I just emailed my friend who had the key as she organised it but left to discuss with the others (although I suspect and she says she didn't, personally throw anything away, the other two clearly did). She and one of the others has gone completely mad denying throwing anything out, that we obviously just haven't found it yet (we have already been through the whole house and it's definitely not here), telling me they just wanted to make room for the kids to play (we have baby twins and a toddler) and that the toys they had abandoned to the elements in the garden clearly weren't being played with (this is nonsense). Yes our house is rather untidy, not easy keeping on top of it with 3 young children, but there is still room to play and ultimately it is our house, we didn't ask them to do it, and I don't see why I should have to justify our lifestyle or housekeeping habits to anyone else as it's none of their business. I've been left feeling judged and betrayed by my friend but she is acting like I should be grateful (for losing £100 of our belongings!) and that she is the injured party. She was coming with me to a baby activity which requires 1:1 with the twins but has now pulled out so that will be £200 wasted unless I can swap it to the weekend, and leaves a rather empty week as I only have 2 other activities (I am on maternity leave) and don't know of any other activities where I can go with 2 babies. It feels like she's punishing the twins for this, and all we asked her to do was look after our cats. I wish we had never asked her.

Anyway if you have got to the end accepting that I should have spoken to her rather than emailed am I being unreasonable to be upset by this and be asking her to pay or should I just suck up the losses and apologise as she seems to think I should? Would be grateful for other views on this.

Just to add and so as not to drip feed, she has helped a lot with babysitting particularly since the twins arrived which obviously would have cost us if we had to pay someone (she is now chucking that back in my face too but does that really make it OK for us to have lost all our things?)

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MrsPiggie · 22/09/2014 22:53

YANBU - this was completely weird behaviour. You don't go into someone's house and start tidying up without leave, let alone throw stuff away. I don't care if my house is a junkyard, it's my junkyard and it stays like this if I want it to.

PumpkinBones · 22/09/2014 22:55

I would be livid. LIVID.
I feed my best friend's cats when she is away and I would never dream of tidying up when she was away! Once she went on holiday and on her and her DH's bed she had left a clean bed set on a stripped bed (flat all on one floor and door open - not snooping!) and it did cross my mind how nice it would be to put the covers on and save her the job when she got back, but I just couldn't, I knew it would be overstepping boundaries!

Vycount · 22/09/2014 23:17

I'm afraid I'd be suspecting them of theft and having done this to cover up. I would speak to the police.
At the least a letter to all involved telling them that they have violated your privacy and trust, throw away valuable items, and the friendship ends here.

I just wouldn't be able to get over this and can't imagine how anyone would think this was OK. And that would make me really question their motives.

AlpacaLypse · 22/09/2014 23:21

Another pro petsitter here. We'd be thrown out of NARPS (our professional association) if we did anything like that OP!

skyeskyeskye · 22/09/2014 23:25

My house is a tip and I often joke that it would be nice to come back from holiday and find it tidied up, but in reality, nobody apart from myself has the authority to decide what should or shouldn't be thrown away. One mans junk is another mans treasure and all that...

Your friend has overstepped the mark and made a massive error of judgement.

RedSoloCup · 22/09/2014 23:32

This is just too weird. I fed a neighbours cat once and was shocked she had left the house in such a state with unwrapped mouldy food in the fridge (had to store the cat food there otherwise wouldn't of looked) but I didn't touch anything or say anything either!

sunflower49 · 22/09/2014 23:34

I have nothing to add. I would be fucking fuming. It doesn't matter if your house WAS a complete and utter tip, it is NOT her place to throw any belongings away.

Tidying up, yes-throwing things away (that weren't OBVIOUS rubbish)is bang out of order.

What sort of person is she? She MUST some serious boundary issues to do this!

I trust your cat was still intact!

As for the maggots, I used to live with a housemate who was meticulous with his cleaning and tidying and he once got maggots in his BEDROOM bin. Flies will lay anywhere and do so very quickly sometiems-it doesn't always mean you're unhygienic.

MrsWinnibago · 22/09/2014 23:39

Has anyone suggested the possibility that she and these "friends" had a party in your home? things may have been damaged and the "clean up" may have gotten over the top? It sounds awful though!

DrewOB · 22/09/2014 23:41

that's what I thought. Why would someone throw away parts of toys?

HavanaSlife · 22/09/2014 23:59

Dp did that when we moved, was supposed to bring all the bits of toys he found under the sofa.

Now the tractor has no farm animals etc

Id be fucking fuming if I was you. As for maggots we get them too, after all most people do put food in the outside bin and its only emptied twice a month!

MrsWinnibago · 23/09/2014 00:13

Havana don't you have a food recycling bin? We do...it's emptied weekly and has a special lid that locks but allows air in. There's never so much as a larvae in there!

OP...any signs that they had a gathering or party there?

MrsCakesPrecognition · 23/09/2014 00:26

What a horrendous situation to come home to, I imagine it feels a little like you have been burgled. Every time you open a drawer or cupboard, you are reminded that someone has been through your possessions without permission, it actually makes me feel anxious and nauseous just thinking about it. No wonder you are upset.

Icimoi · 23/09/2014 00:41

This wasn't bordering on criminal behaviour, it was criminal behaviour. Taking someone else's belongings and throwing them away is theft, pure and simple. How would these people feel if it happened to them?

And, for what it's worth, I think you could claim this off insurance, OP. Your things have been stolen, that's what insurance is for. Of course, when the insurance company finds out what happened it might want to take action to recover its losses from the people responsible, but that's entirely their fault.

IneedAwittierNickname · 23/09/2014 00:54

My friend did similar although different circumstances.

My house was minging and she was helping me clear up.
It was only when I was sorting games and stuff later that she said "oh I binned all the bits I found for that. They were all broken. .. look so are these ones. Why didn't you bin them?". The bits in question had fuck all wrong with them.
I wonder know if that's why we don't have as much train track as we used to, or why some of our games have bits missing.

Unlike the op though my friend was actually helping me out :/

HavanaSlife · 23/09/2014 01:07

No Mrs we have a black bin, although evwrythings vlack bagged the little buggers sometimes manage to crawl out ans a green bin for recycling

Dont know anyone with a bin thats emptied weekly with a lock lid, where abouts do you live?

EBearhug · 23/09/2014 01:13

This is why I don't get those house or garden makeover programmes that people do as a surprise. It is way over boundaries. I've done housecleaning before, and I'd never throw anything without permission. I might neaten piles of paper after cleaning under them, and if I found bits of toy under a cushion or something, I might put them together on the coffee table or something, but nothing more, unless very clearly asked to do so. Way over boundaries to do otherwise.

fuzzpig · 23/09/2014 07:17

I actually had a bad dream last night where I came back home to find some friends-of-friends in my house and they were about to start tidying it! Shock

AdmitYouKnowImRight · 23/09/2014 07:27

I'm jaw dropped at this thread.

Your friend brought other people into your house? Not only that she/they went through your personal papers????

Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

I would never talk to her again.

noclevername · 23/09/2014 07:31

Just to add another perspective - although I agree that it was a massive breach of personal boundaries and I would be feeling very upset indeed....

Maybe the intent of your friends was good, and influenced by these home makeover programmes where people go in and appear to totally strip someone's home and radically declutter - cue happy homeowners when they return. Probably massively edited. I guess it was naive of your friends to think that one can replicate that in real life.

Involving the police seems a little extreme without having a proper chat with (?ex) close friend to find out what the thinking was behind this. Maybe on her own your close friend would never have done this, but as you know in groups people can do more extreme things ( diffusion of responsibility etc).

Good luck - a tricky situation.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 23/09/2014 08:17

I don't think I'd involve the police. It sounds well intentioned but I agree it over steps the boundaries. Had she worked alone and only bagged/boxed stuff for you to deal with later I would have found this acceptable although I would be cautious about doing this as it's not to everyone's taste.

OooOooTheMonkey · 23/09/2014 08:42

I think I would involve the police too. She's massively overstepped boundaries. I would end these friendships, I can't believe that they think this is acceptable!! Shock

I used to live in an area with a food bin that was collected weekly and I found maggots in it on a number of occasions. I have moved to a different area and now don't have a food bin and we have alternate weeks for collection of household rubbish and recycling. I've had maggots in there too. Where flies lay their eggs has no bearing on what the inside of a property is like! Hmm

Thomyorke · 23/09/2014 09:16

I have done this to a friend but she was there and although not happy, it was a choice between me cleaning or me phoning social services. She had got use to the dirt, the flies and the smell and was struggling (also twins) and depression. Occasionally intervention is needed but not when the mess is toys/ clothes, just plain clutter and not behind the persons back. I am really sad I take food rubbish to the skip before I go on holiday.

MokunMokun · 23/09/2014 09:58

I had a friend do this to me. To be fair it was a mess but she was so rude and judgemental. I asked her to leave, she was shocked. After she left I found the bin was full of unused nappies, things my kids had made at nursery. I was so angry. The friendship limped on for a bit but I moved away soon after and blocked her on my phone.

Sometimes people need help but this is not the way to go about things at all. Even if you watch the hoarder programs they are clear that you can't just wade in and start throwing things out. It is very upsetting for the owner.

Oh, and I found out my friend had been gossiping about me based on that one visit to the house when my husband was away, my kids were sick and I was trying unsuccessfully to work from home. It wasn't a typical overview but she told everyone about how awful my home was, how naughty my kids, how I wasn't coping. It wasn't true at all.

Sorry for going on about my problem but I think you were right to tell your friend she was out of order. I don't think you will get any money out of her but I also wouldn't be surprised to hear she has been bitching about you behind your back.

MrsWinnibago · 23/09/2014 10:08

Havana in Cheshire. The bin isn't the main bin...we have a large main bin emptied every two weeks and weekly we have the food waste bin and the plastic and paper and tin bins.

IndiaKnightGarden · 23/09/2014 10:22

Wtf?

How did she defend herself when you confronted her?