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To ask all Scottish MNrs to work together 2

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siiiiiiiiigh · 21/09/2014 14:09

Sorry, filled the last thread with this, thought I'd better be part of Team Scottish MN and work together for those of us on the old thread...

Here's Armando's thoughts. I vote him in for everything.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/21/scottish-referendum-massive-voter-turnout-means-politics-changed-for-ever

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Cambiodenombre · 24/09/2014 20:18

Agreed (that might be a first DD) Smile

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 20:18

This is the link today reporting this.

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 20:24

Daughter funny you should say that, my DH says exactly the same - the oil would just (have been) be an added bonus!

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 20:26

And Im not here to argue for or against this either, we will never know eh, well for the moment anyway.

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 20:28

The SNP is now bigger than all other parties in Scotland combined and third biggest in the UK- bigger than one of the parties in the UK ruling coalition. Since Thursday it's gone from 25000 members to over 57000.

Cambiodenombre · 24/09/2014 20:28

In 20 years the benefit of hindsight will be a wonderful thing!

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 20:30

Cambio yes indeed Grin

tabulahrasa · 24/09/2014 20:40

I had nowhere else to go to discuss the oil stories, well except faceache, but that isn't worth the hassle.

The clair ridge story is a separate story from the heriot watt technology, also reported on today. They've put the platform in place.

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 20:51

Thank you for that tabulah so it would seem this is not the story that wasnt a secret then.

PhaedraIsMyName · 24/09/2014 20:56

This was Christine Grahame's reply to me which is simply the full text of her speech.

She may have been misquoted but is still holding to the line people were scared into voting No.

On mainstream media bias, I read The Telegraph which of the was going to be unionist and The Guardian , which with the exception of its editorial I thought was extremely biased towards independence. On the BBC I thought John Curtice was falling over himself to put the best interpretation of polls for the Yes side. The Scotsman might have been officially No but my goodness it gave Lesley Riddoch acres of space right up to the last day.

I'm not sure what she expects ; if one thinks something is a bad idea , it's a bad idea. How can one say otherwise? And of course the Government had had the benefit of the White Paper published at public expense.

Christine Grahame: Share | Copy Link Copied
"Please let me make some progress.
Given that the over-55s represent some 36 per cent of Scotland’s population—thankfully, that figure is growing—the demographic gap and political priorities will widen. That will happen not just in Scotland or, indeed, the UK, but across Europe. I do not think that I am a typical pensioner—whatever that is—mainly because I am still working full blast well past retirement age and have been committed to independence and social justice for decades, but I have a great deal in common with other grannies and granddads out there, and the last thing that I want is hostility between the generations because of the outcome of the vote. I would be the first to woman the barricades and halt any move to granny or granddad wars, but I want to address why there is that difference.
First, there was the issue of access to information. Although others tweeted and Facebooked—I do not do that—many pensioners accessed the debate through the press and terrestrial media. No one on the no side can possibly dispute the inequality of the debate there. Only one national paper—the Sunday Herald—declared for yes; others had headlines that screamed vote yes for higher prices and so on. Nicholas Witchell even had the audacity to tell us the Queen’s private thoughts on the debate. BBC impartiality was parked.
However, the crux for me was the threat to the state pension either directly by people being scared into believing that it would not be paid out or that it could not be paid from Scotland’s own resources, and, indeed, the threat that even any private pension, which is a contractual matter, was not secure. That was a real whammy of a blow for a person who is retired or whose retirement is imminent. Incidentally, I know of cases in which pensioners entered the polling station to no campaigners still telling them that they would lose their pension should they vote yes. Therefore, I fully understand why the scare stories stuck as they were intended to.
Strangely, nearly a quarter of a million pensioners claim pension credit in Scotland because the UK state pension is so low. Worse than that, one third who are entitled to that benefit do not claim it. That was neatly sidestepped by the no side. On top that, some 50,000 Scottish pensioners are already worse off due to Westminster cuts of £90 million to the savings credit.
The battle for independence was so that Scotland could harness its resources for a fairer and more just society for all its people, not just for the young and the middle aged, but for the old—the pensioners. For the time being, I am waiting for Westminster to deliver that social justice to Scotland’s pensioners.
The no campaign promised energy bills that were lower by some £170 per annum. Labour has said that it will freeze energy bills. Let us see how that all pans out and what happens to the winter fuel allowance of £200, which is currently not means tested.
At the same time, those grannies and granddads should think of their grandchildren, because Ed Balls is committed to continuing the Tory austerity cuts. Freezing child benefit alone will cost the average family—people’s children’s families or their grandchildren’s families—£400 a year. They will be that amount worse off. That is what the Children’s Society says. I simply ask Scotland’s pensioners to watch this space. Promises that are made on the back of a fag packet are, like fag packets everywhere, easily thrown away.
Labour in Scotland has promised that nothing would be in or out of consideration for cuts if it governed in the Scottish Parliament. Means testing, which is already a failure with the pension credit—we should remember that one third do not claim it—may be extended to personal care, bus passes and even prescriptions on a Labour agenda. If we add to that the means testing or even ditching of the winter fuel allowance, which is literally a lifeline for many pensioners, that pension will be under greater pressure, and that will make life even tougher for our older people.
On the pronouncements of the self-proclaimed keeper of the promise, I prefer my late mother’s dictum when I returned from a night out full of jollity. She would say, “It’ll be a different story in the morning.” Indeed it is, and it has been. On promises or vows, I say to my fellow pensioners that they should not count on Westminster; instead, they should count what they have in their purse or wallet in the coming years once they have paid the bills and count up whether their grandchildren’s prospects for a happy and fulfilling life in Scotland improve under Westminster rule.
Labour in particular has a lot to answer for. It has saved David Cameron’s political skin, aided and abetted the Tories in the no campaign, and scared older people into believing that they would be on the breadline, when many of them are there already. So far, mum’s the word from Labour"

trixymalixy · 24/09/2014 20:57

The more people post deluded conspiracy theories on my
Facebook feed, the more it confirms to me that I voted the right way.

The more they post about the 45 and pushing for another referendum, the more it stiffens my resolve to vote No next time if there is one, and next time I'm going to go out campaigning. The 45 say they haven't gone away, do they think the rest of us have?! Most No voters I know were very strong in their belief that it was the wrong thing to do. They are not going to change their minds.

Cambiodenombre · 24/09/2014 20:58

That article was from last year tabluah is it being presented as something new today?

Spiritedwolf · 24/09/2014 20:58

That should make their branch meetings more lively Wink

One of the things about the harder to get oil is that often it appears to need 'tax incentives' for companies to explore it... presumably this limits the benefit to the tax revenue. I'm sure Iain Wood talked about that too.

The interesting thing about the talk of the Barnett formula over the last few days is that it sounds like we already get equivalent to the oil revenue some years, and spend it on current things, so it wouldn't be an added bonus at all.

StatisticallyChallenged · 24/09/2014 20:59

Clair ridge wasn't a secret though. That BBC article is dated 2013.

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 21:02

Yes cambio, read the BBC link that was posted online today, it makes it sound as if its new, well it does to me. I dare say some people would have been aware of it but not the general public, espeically using the word "new" as the first word!

"New gas and water technologies could add decades to the lifespan of oil reserves in the North Sea, according to Edinburgh researchers.

A Heriot-Watt University team said they had made a breakthrough in developing clean and cheap methods to maximise extraction from existing fields."

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 21:03

Stat - this doesnt relate to Clair ridge apparently, its about a research project into oil extracting techniques.

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 21:04

It would be an added bonus in an Independent Scotland.

Cambiodenombre · 24/09/2014 21:06

tinkerball the Herriot watt thing is new today. It's Clair ridge that someone linked to that is old. The two are not linked at all apart from maybe because Clair and Clair ridge are examples of fields that were previously uneconomic but have been unlocked by new technologies?

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 21:07

Yeh it was the Heriot Watt research I linked to that I meant, again I don't believe oil would have been the full answer however!

StatisticallyChallenged · 24/09/2014 21:12

One of the BBC links was from a year ago - the one re Clair Ridge linked by Tabulah

Tinkerball · 24/09/2014 21:19

Yes but the BBC link I put on is not referring to Clair ridge - its referring to an article today about research.

Spiritedwolf · 24/09/2014 21:22

How would it be an added bonus in an independent Scotland if we effectively already rely on it for public spending? What would we cut to start the oil fund? What would we cut to set up the infrastructure of the new state? What would we cut to run a budget surplus as would be required if we had Sterlingisation (and likely if there was a currency union it would have this as in its terms too) or a new currency? What would we have cut to build up the reserves we would need to guarantee bank deposits?

It's all very well to complain about has happened in the event of a no vote (though it would be nice to give it a bit of time and give people a chance to change things), but what would have happened in the event of yes vote would have been devastating. I can only imagine Salmond et al trying to convince us (with new, Scottish state controlled media) that it was all fine, being told that black is white. Like in His Dark Materials where the fervent believers try to convince themselves that the land of the dead is a paradise rather than a wasteland.

I agree about not making personal attacks on politicians, particularly judging female politicians on their looks, as attacks on women in the public eye makes other women not want to put themselves forward in politics and the media. Which is a loss to all of us.

It's Alex Salmond's arrogance and bully tactics that make me dislike him BTW - as demonstrated in calling No votes "deferred Yes" Hmm

Spiritedwolf · 24/09/2014 21:24

^ which was completely disrespectful to no voters and their reasons for voting no.

StatisticallyChallenged · 24/09/2014 21:31

Well said Spiritedwolf

tabulahrasa · 24/09/2014 21:53

"That article was from last year tabluah is it being presented as something new today?"

No, the heriot watt one was today...I was pointing out that it was a different story, sorry .