indyref 14 - the one with the polling day

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Come on in, sit down, and chew your nails with us.

checking back in to this thread. I haven't posted for a while but have been reading quite a few.

I am going to vote soon. Even though I am a decided no voter, I'm still feeling very nervous - what is that about?

And we have just had our 5th set of canvassers! 2 from No and 3 from Yes. They seem to only be targetting us! What is that about. We are both decided anyway and voting differently so it's a bit of a waste of their time.

DaughterDilemma are you live in Scotland?

It certainly won't be business as usual tomorrow if it is a no vote.

Btw I forgot to say that I believe you about what Ewan Morrison aid to you

You didn't ummmm, 'accompany' him to one of his parties did you?

tension think what you like. I look out for me and mine first and I will move if it is the best thing which I think it will be.

There is a large part of me that feels like I am being forced out with a Yes vote. It's not going to be my country any more. I feel like it would have been taken away from me, everything I believe in against my will. I did not ask for this and I will be devastated with a Yes win. There is nothing of interest to me in an independent Scotland professionally, politically or personally.

So fine, you want to be independent, that's a democratic process and so on. I accept this. Then you can show us how marvellous it is. I wish people well and I do hope to be proven wrong as I don't want to see suffering. But I'm afraid it will get much worse.

So I exercise my democratic right to go elsewhere and march with my feet (I guess that's the right expression?). I'm sure many others will as well.

X marks the spot ...

WTF? Ethnic cleansing? Blackmailing?

I have an opinion, that's what I think, I'm not 'blackmailing' anyone. Ethnically cleansing anyone. FFS. That's a nonsensical response to what I said - how on earth does my opinion on the words & actions of people who either don't live here or who won't be here when the dust settles blackmail anyone? It's my opinion. That's about the sum of it.

If people want/have to move on for whatever reason, or don't want to reside here, then their input/views on how Scotland moves forward isn't worth a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things. It's the people who will still be here afterwards, who won't/can't move on & who will have to pick up the pieces/feel the consequences who matter to me. I'll be one of them. Should I listen to people who won't have any influence (vote) because they've moved on, or should I look around and see what's happening here, to me, to others, and decide how I want to influence that from my own experience and views of what's needed? How on earth is that blackmailing? Blackmailing in what way? To what end?

I'm here come what may. I'm here whether I lose my job as a result of either independence or 'restructuring'. I'm here whether it's independence or not. If others won't/can't be, fine, you make your decisions on your own circumstances /needs or whatever. If that's your choice/consequence of this referendum, do you really think your opinion/views will matter to people who remain? That's just an obvious consequence to moving away from a country, whether by choice or circumstance - you no longer have the means (vote) to have an influence to what happens/how it happens/who does what.

I can't quite think what people saying they'll move either by choice or not, are hoping for. Should the rest of us still here, defer to those who aren't? It's no different to me saying I'll pay no heed to Sean Connery/Alan Cummings/Bob Geldof/Eddie Izzard when it comes to considering how I'll participate in the process that follows either via independence or the continuation of the union.

And for the umpteenth time, I've not even said how I voted. But carry on making massive generalised assumptions about me.

The reason I voted no in the end instead of abstaining (which was my initial stance) was my growing belief that the worse off are likely to get hammered in an independent Scotland.

I would wish an Independent Scotland a fantastic future. I love Scotland.

Twitter is always full of trolls and people posting nasty, flippant, rude (or all three) comments on it just because they haven't got a life. Might be worth avoiding Twitter today if one is already feeling stressed...as well as all the Facebook pages of newspapers and tv stations, which seem to have a high number of trolls loitering on them. I wouldn't take any notice of inflammatory comments on Twitter (those who post them love to see the rage and other reactions they stir up).

Squoosh oh god no.

But I have heard it from the horses mouth so to speak!

If enough people have to or choose to move following a 'yes' vote, it would be naive to think it's not going to have an impact on those that stay.

There is a huge difference between people who have made an active choice to leave and are coming back to give their tuppence worthl, and people who live and work in Scotland, in many cases love Scotland, want to stay in Scotland and work for a better Scotland, but may be forced to leave by the likely realities of life post independence. That's just as real and just as relevant a consequence of independence as many who would stay will experience.,

I cast my vote a couple of hours ago, a few people at the polling station but no queues. There seems to be a big police presence around the polling stations I've driven past but I've not seen any trouble. I did hear a man in the local shop saying that today's shitty weather is us being punished for the referendum. I didn't know David Cameron had weather controlling powers .

OK Tension I'm sorry, emotional blackmail was too strong, but look at what you've written and tell me that's a sensible view - that my and my DH's opinions count less to you because in the event of a Yes we may have to move to follow DH's job.

I stand by the 'nonsensical'.

I'm dying to find out if the turnout is as high as they're expecting.

Glad to hear it Tinkerbell. Not a pleasing prospect!

He's a dirty boy that's for sure.

tension emotion is running extremely high. Everyone is always welcome to express an opinion but I found your post insensitive on a day like today. Some of us have no option in the event of a Yes.

But the 'you' in my post was instead of 'one/we' as a collective. Which sounds a bit odd these days.

We have had no canvassers at all. I'm feeling quite bereft.

Our local Labour councillor is driving around with three flags on their car - Saltire; Lion Rampant and Union Jack. I think it sums up the conflicted nature of the Labour party position quite well.

Re the possibility of people leaving Scotland to move elsewhere in the UK.

Alex Salmond has said that an independent Scotland would need a million immigrants to boost the workforce and diffuse the pensions timebomb caused by an aging population.

This is a huge number a 5:1 ratio - for every 5 people currently living in Scotland there will be 1 new post indepedence citizen. How is that level of inward migration even credible?

Plus it's based on the assumption that everyone currently living there will stay, but from what you are saying here, there is likely to be considerable migration to the UK from a proportion of 'No' voters who will have to move for economic reasons (company relocation etc) or because they have no desire to live in an independent Scotland.

Squoosh the people at my polling station said they were way ahead of predicted turnout and that was at 10am.

I would be vvvvv shocked if Scotland did separate

not going to happen imo

Wish I had your confidence tbh. I don't.

Hope you are right MrsFox but I'm still scared it will be a 'yes' vote?
Why so sure a 'No'??

I think there's a massive difference between ordinary voters saying they will leave Scotland because of concerns over their jobs or the country's financial stability in the event of a 'yes' vote, and businesses saying they will move.

The former are responding to circumstances. The latter are trying to shape voting behaviour by threatening the economic stability of others (eg Michelle Mone saying that she will move her business means that she is exerting financial pressure on her staff to vote in a certain way. imo that is blackmail).

It's as much blackmail as the SNP promising all these extra jobs or this additional wealth or free childcare or a protected NHS.....

Michelle Mone is fully entitled to move her business to where she believes it will prosper most. Like it or not, that's capitalism - and the reality of an inde Scotland.

Fox - why do you think it will be a No vote?