Indyref 9

[IrnBruTheNoo]

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Thing is - I now honestly believe that a lot of people have been convinced that the questions over the economy and the currency and Eu and all the rest have been so glossed over that many people dont know who to believe.

So - if Yes win and after the dust has settled - there are going to be a lot of people who will say " but you said it was all going to be fine" "you said we would keep the pound". You said we would keep our jobs and there would be plenty of money.

there will be a lot of people who will feel that they have been hoodwinked. And they need to realise that there is no going back. This isnt a suck it and see, if you fall out of love with the idea - you cant change course.

There is no going back. If you have doubts and questions - ask yourself one more - why when you raise these perfectly valid concerns are you told "you are bullying, scaremongering" or are they simply glossed over or are they evasive. That should tell you everything you need to know not only about the risks but about the people trying to get you to join them

The question is "Should Scotland be an independent country?"

You either believe that or you don't. My father has repeated to me from the start that it's not about the economy, it's not about whether you think you'll be better or worse off (believe it or not, we do know it's forever or at least 300 years ), it's about whether you think it is the right thing to do.

I may well be worse off in the short term. Actually, even in the long term as I fully expect once the business gets going, to be a higher rate tax payer again and have no issue with paying higher taxes.

The question isn't about ME

No, I'm not worried about whether my savings are safe. No, I'm not worried about which currency we're going to use resisting the urge to make a facile comment . Yes, I do think that the details will be sorted out when Westminster is prepared to come to the table .

But the point is Its -the currency is important.

to the companies who employee hundreds of thousands of our friends, neighbours and so forth.

Certainty over currency is really key when making those kind of decisions. Why does it appear that every major bank is going to start the move south in the even of a yes vote. It isnt malignant dislike of their fellow scots - it is because they have a duty to protect their customer's money.

Cyprus had a banking issue - so the government confiscated money from their citizens accounts.

So - if Yes win and after the dust has settled - there are going to be a lot of people who will say " but you said it was all going to be fine" "you said we would keep the pound". You said we would keep our jobs and there would be plenty of money.
There is no going back. If you have doubts and questions - ask yourself one more - why when you raise these perfectly valid concerns are you told "you are bullying, scaremongering" or are they simply glossed over or are they evasive. That should tell you everything you need to know not only about the risks but about the people trying to get you to join them

This applies equally to both sides. There is only one certainty and that is whether Scotland governs itself or not. Everything else is conjecture.. Yes voters are not somehow less educated or less well read or less analytical. We just interpret the data differently.

Pretty your last post sums up quite neatly the weakness of yes arguments

"it's the right thing to do"
Why?

Because it's the right thing to do. Repeat ad infinitum.

Currency is just a construct. Every country in the world has a currency which is worth a certain amount against other currencies. The value of a currency depends on the country it is from, and Scotland is a rich country, a good bet. Therefore an independent Scotland will has be some form of currency that given the country Scotland is will be reasonably stable and reasonably valuable.

The currency absolutely does matter. Have you seen the reports of carney's comments last night? Scotland would need billions of pounds worth of reserves to support sterlingisation. he's coming back with more robust figures which should be out today. These are much bigger than those deposited to cover Scottish notes in circulation. Estimate seems to be starting at 15bn but we'll see what he comes back with.

Credit suisse say we'd need a surplus for currency union...

How are we going to fund that? Cuts galore.

"it's the right thing to do"
Why?

Because countries are best ruled by those who live there, rather than by their neighbour. Repeat ad infinitum.

Reserves don't just have to cash do they? Scotland has many, many other assets. And as for cuts - there are areas where we could spend less than we currently do eg defence, and areas where money can be spent directly on Scottish interests rather than UK ones like foreign trade delegations.

Just keeping repeating.

It's all going to be fine.
Currency doesn't matter
It's the right thing to do
All that matters is we are independent.
It's not about the economy

If you don't think it is the right decision, then Vote No.

Don't you think Scotland may need the odd trade delegation?

The phrase that he used was currency reserves. Reports appear to suggest that means just that -actual money.

And keep repeating "we are ruled by another country" just in case any one has missed that particular grievance.

No we are not.

And incase we missed it, Michelle Mone really loves Scotland, she really really loves it to death...but she's voting no.

For me, it's about self-determination.

And I would have voted No in 1979 had I been able to (and was happy that my vote counted as a No anyway).

But I've changed since then - partly as a result of living in England for 10 years but more importantly at the failure of Westminster to instigate a proper Federal system.

I'm fairly certain reserves means actual cash and bullion.

"I mean, for example, did Ruth Davidson ever think she would be sitting on the same side of a debate with George Galloway? I think her facial expression on the Big Debate tonight at various points when he was speaking said it all..."

sconequeen I was utterly embarrassed for BOTH sides last night, especially for Ruth Davidson having to have Galloway sitting by her side. You couldn't get two who are more polar opposite if you tried.

Because countries are best ruled by those who live there, rather than by their neighbour. Repeat ad infinitum
We are all one country at the moment (in my opinion) so for me that is moot. Appreciate there is a differing opinion on this.

If you don't think it is the right decision, then Vote No
That is it in a nutshell pb I've been up front from the start, I'm voting No because I don't think it is the right decision.

Agreed Phaedra, bullion would count too.

And incase we missed it, Michelle Mone really loves Scotland, she really really loves it to death...but she's voting no.

So you can't love a country and still not vote no? What a narrow view.

irn she is as entitled to her opinion as you are

but that is a distortion. We have a large amount of devolved autonomy and the remainder is pooled. We do have 52 MPs - which vote for vote is more per head than our neighbour.

So to say we are governed entirely by our neighbour is disingenuous and bordering on the dishonest

Sorry, posted too soon...
irn are you trying to say that you can't love Scotland and vote no?

prettybird why is this not about the economy. Whether we like it or not, everything has to be paid for.

You are saying the decision relates solely to a philosophical question. But it can't possibly be answered without considering what it means in practice.

30 years of deep recession (which is what happened in Norway after their vote and they weren't worried about expiring oil then).

No point saying we are independent if everyone is in desperate poverty!