IndyRef 7

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

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I think it was a joke noddy
The was a clue...

SDTG I sympathise with you. A straw poll of my friends over the weekend showed that many of us will just clear the heck out.

I'm just as angry. All my ancestors are from Scotland (poor farm workers, I should add. My mum was the first to attend university). I'm being forced out the country that I love by something I haven't asked for.

That is if I can afford to - as house prices are widely forecast to plummet, especially in Edinburgh. Do you know that most house sales which are to complete in the next few months have a clause factored into the missives allowing a get out in the event of a yes vote? Says it all.

It is extremely upsetting for those of us no voters forced into it. All we can do now is fight for the UK from all corners of Scotland. Sign up to the No campaign. It's on the BT website with various evening for leafleting requiring volunteers. On polling day, they are just as desperate for volunteers. Give 2 hours of time and show people the passion behind the No vote is as strong as the yes. We need only sway 2% of the undecided.

Let's pull out out all the stops and fight for Scotland in a United Kingdom.

If, god forbit, this goes through, I want my grandkids to know that, when the oil runs out, I did everything I possibly could to make sure that the Scotland they are inhabiting wasn't chosen by their grandmother.

That's all very well, Thong, but weatherall lives in a humour-free zone. .

Lady C how much is your hourly rate of pay? I really don't see how you can have time to post so much on mumset and still hold down your £80k job.

Rooner 2% of the undecided - I don't think that's actually what you meant

Crack on with the cheap shots.

DeeeDeee was hounded off these threads just like many yes voters before her.

It speaks volumes about the no campaign that this is your strategy.

The text below is copied directly from Ineos' website, the owner and operator of Scotland's largest petrochemical plant and which was the centre of recent industrial action about its future. From the press coverage at the time, I recall the plant was described as representing almost 15% of Scotland's industrial output.
Please read it, but if you can't be bothered, it says this. The Grangemouth plant relies on gas from the North Sea but the supplies are running out. So Ineos will import gas from the USA, no doubt obtained via fracking. Gas will sail from the US coast, past all the Scottish and Norwegian fields to a plant 20 miles west of Edinburgh.
And they sell the case for independence on the tax revenues from North Sea production...
www.ineos.com/sites/grangemouth/at-a-crossroads/

*Rooners you've said numerous times that you are going to leave Scotland in the event of a yes vote. I think we get it. [ smile] Where are you going to go to?

I don't think it was a joke the was referring to her own cheap shot joke from what I can see.

Weatherall, I wouldn't take any notice. The whining and breast beating, and the threat of the mass exodus is actually quite funny. It has amused me anyway.
Chin up you might just be popping a champagne cork on 18th. If not, it's not the end by any means.

You cannot just hound people and shout them down with insults if you don't agree with them! Calling someone dim is horrible.

deeedeee just decided to take a break, both from positivity and negativity if I recall correctly.

I have just spoken to a scottish friend earlier who I assumed was a no I am not even sure why but she her dh and their kids plus his mother who lives with them are all voting yes. And according to the 2 sons the majority of their mates are. I am going to facetime the boys later and really ask them why etc

DeeeDeee was hounded off these threads just like many yes voters before her

DeeDee wasn't hounded off. She said she had work to do, and I'm sure she will be back.

BTW the comment I quoted earlier about people whose jobs were moved to England should stay and retrain - she also said that if Scotland subsequently crashed it would be because those people had left. Classic victim blaming.

Celticlass - I am not 'threatening' to leave - I feel we would be forced out by a Yes vote. And you may find it funny, but it has catapulted me back into depression. I have not felt this bad since I started therapy.

So laugh all,you like - some of us are really unhappy, and it says a lot that you find that funny.

The argument from the yes camp is of very poor quality. It would be so much less frustrating if they just asked us if we'd seen the film Braveheart and when we confirmed we had, they could say: 'Like that but with dishwashers, central heating and free tuition fees."

I'm now remembering why I've stayed away from these threads.

Have just read through this thread. Is there any need for the nastiness? I am a Yes voter, changed my view about a year and a half ago when I became resigned to the fact that we would be destined to Tory governments forevermore, esp as they are cowtowing to UKIP. But once I changed, I became convinced.

Independence will not cure everything and there will be problems but it isn't the doomsday that is being predicted by some here.

Are we too stupid to run our own affairs? Will we be forever marked as the cowards of the world because we are too scared to take responsibility for ourselves?

I do feel for those who are convinced the No vote is right at the moment. It's so polarised. Obv a Yes is by no means a certainty but the atmosphere has changed somewhat.

The bottom line for me is that there is no democracy in Scotland. My vote in any general election was always useless. Why would we want to live in a country like that?

weatherall why do you keep stalking Cordelia with that '80k' jibe?

I believe it was you who produced that estimate/guess of how much she earns, but after several whole threads of repetition it is beginning to wear just a little thin.

We can expect another of MNHQ's 'play nicely' reminders before long.

Wetherall - in which university did you study economics?

....."when the oil runs out"

Starwars I feel exactly the same as you. There's no getting away from the fact that a no vote means years more of Tories (or worse). If that is what others want they are welcome to choose it. But I don't and the various speculations re jobs/housing/currency etc don't give me reason to change my mind.

Agreeing with starwars
Surely a working democracy which represents the people of Scotland should be a reality?

I do hope that come the 19th we will all come together and try to make it work - whatever the outcome.

I also hope we, as a nation, can continue being so interested in politics, although I doubt it.