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Neville
During that period the UK parliament will be debating the many issues of handing over powers and benefits to Scotland.
People are saying that it would be unreasonable if Scottish MPs were able to take part in that debate and vote themselves a bigger share.
It will be the Scottish Parliament's job to argue for Scotland.

I must get out of this now - supposed to be working for a living!

Just watching daily politics just now, they are talking about the effect on businesses etc.

Andrew Neil has just tweeted that John Redmond has proposed that Scotland shouldn't be allowed to vote in next years GE if it's a Yes vote next week

Course it shouldn't. They can't have their flipping cake and eat it!

Course it shouldn't. They can't have their flipping cake and eat it!

The problem is in 2015, Scotland will still be part of the Unites Kingdom.

Yes, ttip only applies to services which are not already privatised. my understanding is Scottish nhs is still 100% public

Tension - I suspect that we've been outliving our means for a while and any government would have to make very difficult choices, partly because of the banking crisis/recession but partly because we quickly forget how things used to be and keep hoping for more and more public services. Eg I remember hearing a friend complain about her 3YO not getting a free place at nursery until the autumn after she was 3. But,only a few years previously 3YO's weren't entitled to any free nursery provision and before that 4YO's weren't entitled to free nursery provision. I'm not arguing against free child care just making the point that public services are expensive, more now with an aging population and fantastic, but expensive medical advances than in the past. Something has to give regardless of the government. I think that's why the labour party isn't promising to reverse the conservative decisions.

I could not agree with you more about the current government gambling with the future of UK/Scotland. At the very least, independence should only have been promised if there was a two thirds majority in favour IMO. A small majority yes vote would be awful.

The reason I suggested spoiling your paper would be to have your 'don't know' counted. Just a thought as no-one else has mentioned this. Just because it's not like a GE where you can vote for a minority party as a protest against the majority party.

But Staitisticually - if Scotland is only a region of the UK, then the NHS is not a 100% public . Suspect it would be the lawyers who would have a field day though

It was a lawyer who currently works in a related field that drew my attention to this risk

Sorry statistically - fat fingers

It's a totally separate institution though, isn't it?

That's a good point choocaluvva - my dh used to spoil his voting paper with a comment "None of the above"

He had a flaming argument with my parents about it - although when it came down to it, they were actually vehemently agreeing about the need to vote, just disagreeing about the best way to do so :)

According to The Telegraph, which I don't read - link on FB - the Scottish gov't has just given a 2year contract to Weight Watchers to do the work currently being done by NHS nutritionists etc in West of Scotland of (NHS Glasgow I think) with the 6.000 referrals they are given every year.

Weight Watchers is American apparently.

It depends on whether the US lawyers see it as a totally separate institution though - and whether the TTIP is flexible enough to recognise the difference between England and Scotland . So far, what I've managed to glean suggests not

The business that dh and I currently working on involves working with the NHS and the US owners have great difficulty in comprehending the difference between the NHSs it's all an evil socialist conspiracy

Contesse that must be incredibly difficult, you have my absolute sympathies. Would it help to talk through your thoughts here? No, we're not unbiased but at least you could get views from both sides without being shouted down and lots of us as are pretty good at providing solid evidence to look at.

I'll try to look later re ttip, as most of the sources I've seen have been heavy on the evil Yankee capitalist scaremongering and a bit light on facts!

The thought of negotiating all this and plenty of other things I won't even have considered is utterly depressing.

And heartbreaking.

Like what will happen to British Home Stores?

To be honest I'm feeling it today. So much fear, excitement, information overload, positivity , negativity, sadness and determination. I feel like my head is going to explode. I think I'm going to cut down drastically on Internet use until after the referendum. Best wishes though everyone, hope you all find your ways through it!

As a bit of light hearted relief - and more seriosuly that it's not all vitpuerative :), I came across this on Facebook

Did you just confess to feeling fear deee?

If helps anyone on this thread or lurking on this thread, I will come out and say what I've been hiding - I'm campaigning for No, my husband is voting Yes. We have been through all the issues umpteen times together. He knows my view on the likely outcomes, and (sorry to go back to the selfish stuff) he knows that my job is likely to move. He's still voting Yes. He is an 'independence at any cost' person. That's his choice and I (try to) respect it. He's doing a lot more than usual with the children so I can go out campaigning, and says he respects me for standing up for what I believe in.

I just don't know what we are going to have after this. We have had so many arguments over the months, and now have an almost zen-like acceptance that we are each on our own path. We don't talk about it very much. We're clearly not the people we thought we were when we got married 12 years ago. At the moment all I can do is keep going till the votes are counted. Then I will see what is left of my marriage.

I know

To be honest, we've probably been drifting for a few years, but this has really pushed the issue. There's clearly still something there, but I don't know if it is enough.

Need a holiday. But I have to catch up with the washing, collect the children from school and get ready for another week of work and campaigning. This is why I have a lot of and (no chocolate emoticon) just now,

I'm sorry to hear that OOAOML, sounds tough for you both. Hopefully things will seem clearer when it's all over.

deeedeeee
It seems long ago, probably on the very first thread, that I said I disagreed with you but wished you well.
I still disagree with you, and still wish you well, but I believe that people believing it's going to be wonderful in a new independent Scotland are going to be very disappointed.
I think you are perhaps a little more realistic than some, but clearly there are many due to suffer a very unpleasant few years, at the very least.

OOAOML sorry to hear that. I'm afraid this is the reality of how the campaign has affected some families.
Obviously it goes without saying that I hope things work out for you.