Indyref 6

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Welcome to indyref 6

Spidergirl8 asked close to end of last thread:

What impact would independence have on fiscal policy and economic stability
What impact would the ageing population have on the future
Is the predicted future a positive one, based on fact

If the bite goes no, what has actually been achieved? Does that not just put Scotland on the back foot?

Let's try and give not too biased answers please!

"I see it as being a chance to govern ourselves and prosper."

I also agree with what you're saying as well, the two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

The amazing thing that Alex Salmond has done is take nationalism give it a wee prefix of "civic" and sell it to people as a step into the future.

old lady - I haven't figured out how to change back and forth between the different usernames

Nice example of here of friendship co-existing with opposing political opinion.

Nice squoosh!

People voting 'yes' and people I'd like to go out for a drink with are disjoint sets.

[OT] Frankie, take your cursor to the top right of the page, and hang over My Mumsnet. Select My account from the dropdown, then scroll down to Username. Type something different, scroll down to bottom of the page, put in your password and click Save Changes.

Can we please stop with the Nazi references? Irrelevant, and frankly boring. It's hardly advancing the argument.

After living in different regions of Scotland and England I think some regions of Scotland have at least as much in common with certain English regions as they have with certain other Scottish regions.

They definitely don't have to be mutually exclusive, IrnBru, I know a lot of English and Polish people, amongst other nationalities, who are strong Yes supporters. Some identify as Scottish, or part-Scottish, through living here, others don't.
Some people will have national identity amongst their reasons for voting Yes, but on the other hand, a large number of people don't. :)

Aw that's a nice photo squoosh, good to see.

I think irritation with England - it never seems to be with Wales or N.I. - is a function of England having a much bigger population. People are lazy - referring to 'the north' when they mean 'the north of England'.

I think the Scottish electorate who don't live in the central belt would feel the same way about claims for central-belt issues being Scottish.

I know loads of Scottish people living in the central belt who have been to London, Newcastle, cornwall, the lake district, Manchester; but have never been further north than Perth.

A Pole voting yes is hilarious. But why not. They won't lose their EU citizenship because they can always return to Poland and can continue to enjoy the principles of freedom of movement for goods, people and services which underpin the EU.

thanks oldlady, will try that next time.

what chocoluvva says is correct - I know lots who haven't been further up north, it is indeed very different, when I went to the western isles, via inverness, fort william, skye etc, I was surprised by the difference, not just in the landscape (obviously) but how people lived.

There wasn't much "Civic Nationalism" from the 4 Scottish MP's who didn't turn up in parliament to vote against the Bedroom Tax this week.

frankie80 - How was the way people live different?

Lovely picture squoosh, made me

polonium - I just found them much more laid back, less busy. Also in the islands in particular, I found them more religious, more patriotic and frowning down on drinking.

Nearly everything was shut on a Sunday and pubs closed at 11!

I don't give a crap about national identity. I feel neither more nor less Scottish than British.

I do care about securing better democratic representation.

I am very glad that voting eligibility depends on residency and not exclusively on 'Scottish' nationality.

I wonder what the turnout will be?

Numanoid - the only justification for independence IMO would be a widely-held desire for self-determination on the grounds that Scotland is significantly different from rUK. It will necessitate years of negotiations between Scotland and rUK and Scotland and EU; effort that could be spent on something else. And time and resources spent on establishing new Scottish agencies and bodies required to carry out the work already being done by UK agencies. It seems such a waste of effort when there are so many more important issues.

What makes someone have Scottish nationality anyway?

Anniehoo

I thought the vote was brought forward and the Scottish MPs were stuck waiting fir a flight to get back down to london.

I am British. Neither of my parents is British. I'm very proud to be a first generation Brit.