To report friend to FB for photo of her blacked up?

[Greyhound]

I'm really shocked - cousin of mine has pic of herself on Facebook blacked up. She is white. The picture is of her at a fancy dress party - she has covered her face in dark brown stage make up and is wearing an "Afro" wig and Rastafarian style striped hat.

Her husband is also blacked up.

No Buffy I am not going to read "Delusions of Gender" . It will have bugger all to do with my particular industry. It is arrant nonsense to say a woman can't get on in a legal career simply because she is a woman.

But I'm sad to say that I'd be utterly astonished if much attention (if indeed any) was paid to the male violence/entitlement element common to all these cases

I wish I could disagree with that, but you know what? I can't

I'm as far from being one of these "everything's the fault of men" people as it's possible to get, and as with everything else I believe it's one among a number of issues ... but there's no denying it's there, and sooner or later will have to be addressed

Phaedra Why do you think we have a pay gap then? Again, genuine question.

Just throwing some facts out there. Happy to provide the references should anyone want them, just to prove I didn't make it up.

Discrimination at work

Women make up only 17% board directors of FTSE 100 companies.[18]

A study by the Fawcett Society found that 51% of women and men from middle management to director level identify stereotyping as the major hurdle facing women at work.[19]

Up to 30,000 women are sacked each year simply for being pregnant [20] and each year an estimated 440,000 women lose out on pay or promotion as a result of pregnancy.[21]

14% of White British women have been asked about their plans for marriage and/or children at a job interview compared to 20-25% of Black Caribbean, Bangladeshi and Pakistani women.[22]

26% of trade union branches have received enquiries from members who have been exposed to the sex industry – including pornography – at work.[23]

It is estimated that the UK would gain up to £23 billion (the equivalent to 2% of GDP) by better harnessing women’s skills in employment.[24]

Work

Women make up 17.3% of FTSE 100 board directors.[50]

The Equalities and Human Rights Commission estimates it will take 70 years at the current rate of progress to see an equal number of female and male directors of FTSE 100 companies.[51]

Approximately 70% of people in national minimum wage jobs are women.[52]

Women occupy on average 30.9% of ‘top jobs’ across 11 sectors.[53]

Using boardroom quotas, Norway increased women’s representation on company boards from 6% in 2002 to 44% in 2010. During that same period European board representation only rose from 2% to 9.7%.[54]

Membership of Britain’s largest public sector union, Unison, is 80% women. However, only 28% of the working population is unionised and this is less than 20% in the private sector.[55]

Phaedra you sound just like my dad. (helpful)

I worry that, when the inevitable reports into all this are published, exactly the same thing will happen: the "everybody's racist" crowd will wilfully ignore any bits which touch on culture/race and the those who insist everything's the fault of "these awful foreigners" will completely disregard any other issues raised

I think the second half of that is already happening. I've not seen any posts by those who wish to name the problem, or what you have deemed the "everybody's racist" crowd, where the culture/race of the perpetrators of the CSA in Rotherham hasn't been raised, discussed and deplored. Some might have done though, so apologies.

FWIW, my take on the 'blackface' issue that the thread is about is that it isn't of itself racist, but it is insensitive to the possible upset it could cause to people of the race being parodied, so I wouldn't do it.

You used the Rotherham case to outright accuse me and other posters of not caring what happened there, because our right-on principles are more important to us than abused children. Yes and no. Your right-on principles cause you to steer people's focus away entirely from racial aspects of cases such as the Rotheram ones. I would indeed hope you care more about abused children than you do about your left-wing feminist and multiculturalism-loving ideologies, but then again it was such ideologies that allowed police, social services et al to ignore the plight of these children in the first place.

It would be a bit like me making all sorts of wild accusations about you and your beliefs, because you think "race" (actually you mean culture) is significant in Rotherham but haven't mentioned atrocities against children in Syria or what is happening to people in Palestine right now.

Well, I have lots to say about Syria and Palestine and it is largely relating to the skewed teachings of the Koran, which is what I believe to have engendered the entrenched attitudes of the Pakistani gangs raping our white, poor children, and not solely that they have penises and look down upon our lower-working-class girls. It is a bastardisation of Islam that permits the atrocities we are seeing worldwide, but I am always more concerned with what is happening locally than globally.

Yep, the white junior associate assumed his black superior wasn't supposed to be there and tried to get security involved

Well frankly I'd have expected the superior to explain the situation and show her ID and ask the junior to do the same. End of story.

In my office we get it drummed into us over and over and over that it is a large office over multiple floors, it is impossible to know everyone therefore electronic ID cards should be visibly displayed by everyone at all times. We are told we should absolutely not hold off from asking who someone is if we don't recognise the person and they are not wearing ID.

Security know we don't really believe this is necessary and that is why we have had on occasions someone get in who should not be there. We have also had police warnings about fraudsters who deliberately target office doors after usual working hours to try to slip in as someone leaves and politely holds the door open.

Bit like yours that women don't get promoted because they are women; or that interesting work only gets given to employees with penises. It's very easy to claim you're overlooked because you're a woman rather than actually your work wasn't that good.

Phaedra, my friend wasn't just overlooked for promotions, or given less interesting work. She was made redundant for being a mother. Her company made all the mothers in the dept redundant, and no one else.

You may say that argue wasn't as good as her colleagues - but a tribunal found different. They agreed that it was not just a "coincidence" that all the redundancies happened to be women - and she had evidence that her performance was not lacking.

She got a big pay out and she deserved it - she was discriminated against for being a woman.

Does the fact that you've not personally experienced discrimination mean it doesn't exist?

Phaedra why are you so invested in your belief that stuctural and systemic sexism doesn't occur in the workplace?

Same old hyperbolic dog shit dogma. Look, it is no use trotting out the 'so just because you have done very nicely in life doesn't mean other wimmin aren't suffering at the hands of penises with men on the end of them' line when there are many of us who do not recognise the feminist complaints quite so ferociously as you appear to. Third-wave feminists are losing ground simply because your work was accomplished, largely, forty years ago. There are more important issues at stake today, like class inequality (where NO progress has been made. At all.)

Have you ever actually read any feminist literature or blogs Pistol? If you did, I think you would be surprised that the majority of them engage with not only "wimmins ishoos" but also for example, racism and class conflict.

I have read feminist tripe literature and even read the link posted by Buffy yesterday about the feminist who was tired of talking about feminism to men. She was tired of having to talk about this stuff with people who then just end up using her efforts to educate them as a stick to beat her with. She was so very, very tired that I was tempted to go round and babysit her twelve kids whilst she had a lie down with The Female Eunuch.

Buffy, you do realise, don't you, that your FIL made it out of the underbelly because he has a penis and not because there was sufficient opportunity for social mobility?

*Underclass. Ugh, I'm obsessed with bellies