to be shocked and scandalised that this went on unchecked for so long? [MN edit; contains details of current Rotherham news story, possibly triggering]

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

Bullets thats bloody disgraceful.

Garlic theres a thread on the Feminism board which was started because of a report about anal sex in under 18s.

How its just "expected" of young women and they can expect the sex to hurt. Because the needs of young women dont matter.

And this abuse case is rooted in the same mysogyny.

The police asked CHILDREN whether they consented to sex! The law says they can't have, even if they thought they did, but officers seem to have forgotten that incredibly frequently.

When police asked a TEN YEAR OLD if she consented to sex with two men, she said: "I'm in the middle, I don't actually know." The judge said she dressed provocatively. and at least her case went to court.

• the needs or consent of young women dont seem to matter.

Obviously when i mention consent i do not mean girls under 16

I bet ALL parents would have cared if they knew their children were being gang raped.

On an investigation I helped with, the youngest victim was under three. His walking legs weren't even straight yet. The boys' older brothers cared about it but their parents didn't. They told the police they knew the kids were indoors and being fed, out of 'trouble' - they meant not stealing or fighting - and that was the main thing. They just didn't want to know what was happening to them while they were with the man.

i had a Catholic priest ask me a similar question back in the 80s.

It angers me greatly that things have not changed in thirty bloody years

It is sickening. Political correctness has cost these girls appallingly.

The police should be sacked and the rapists hanged.

I don't think it is victim blaming to ascertain what led to the girls been abused. I think men like this will always abound. We cannot rid the world of them. If there is an opportunity they will take it.

We should all be trying to limit those opportunities starting first with the homes - although saying that a lot of children are being abused by their families and that is a lot harder to tackle.

If you are only interested in tackling the problem from one end, then we should get ready to invest in building more prisons.

This isn't just an "Up North" thing. I was waiting to meet a friend outside the O2 in London and saw lots of young white female teens, heading for the tube, being propositioned by Asian men in cars (quite forcefully) who were cruising around. I asked one of the security guards about it, and he said it happens every time there is any kind of event like 1Direction on at O2. The security guy said they have told the police numerous times, and no one does anything about it.

Why did you not join the other girls MrS? was it because your parents were less stressed or maybe too strict?

Many reasons. Non of them involving my parents.

I was 9 parts lesbian and wouldn't have slept with a bloke in a million years.
I had bad glasses and braces and short hair and didn't wear make-up (not due to strictness, it just wasn't my thing)
I played rugby on Sunday mornings so Saturday night were a bit of a write off
I had an after school job in a newsagent so hanging around on car bonnets in the street outside school was a non starter too.
I've never been one to push myself into anywhere I wasn't wanted and it literally wouldn't have occurred to any of those girls to invite me along. There was no animosity, we just didn't run with the same crowd. I though they were cool though and had I been invited I would have sacked off rugby for a week, no question. I would have told my parents that I was sleeping at some girls house, a girl who they'd known for years and they would've believed me.
I did have plenty of sleepovers at other girls houses and was allowed to. I never had a curfew and was pretty much gone most of the day at weekends. They would ask me what I'd been doing and I would say the library or hanging around in town or going to the park, which was mostly true. I imagine that's what the other girls said too. They wouldn't have said 'having a gang bang in a grotty bedsit' anymore than I would have said 'trying to get to second base with a girl I'm seeing' or 'throwing chips at pigeons' or 'trying to find someone to buy me cigarettes'

I wasn't more loved or better parented than those girls. I just wasn't targeted.

Thanks MrS. I can understand that. Growing up, there seemed to be girls that were targeted by men or even boys our age. They were more developed physically and made to feel beautiful. I guess the attention was also flattering. There was no sleep overs then (not with an African parent anyway) so no excuse really to be sneaking off at 12!!!

I never heard anything to this extent. Especially at age 12. Which brings me to why I am sticking to my rule no sleepovers until my children leave my house.

There were no sleepovers then...

garlic what horrors are our poor children subjected to? It's the stuff nightmares are made off, these poor poor children are living it.

Heart breaking.

No you were not just . I think some posters like to bury their head in the sand or take a more liberal lefty stance on issues like this.

Can you imagine the heavy handiness of the law if these blokes' sisters were being targeted by white men

Precisely. Nobody's pretending that such dreadful things happen only within one community, but there's no denying that in this particular case race (and the fear of appearing racist) is a factor

As I said on another thread, I actually think the urge to "cover up" is pretty insulting to the asian community these criminals came from. I'd have thought they'd be just as appalled as anyone else and determined to root out this evil from among them ... wouldn't they?

I hope they start looking at Blackpool now.

Charlene Downes and Paige Chivers are just 2 that have been widely reported on but still no answers

Rooting out evil is not always so straightforward it can have long tentacles, too many people with too much to lose by speaking out, others in fear of what may happen to them if they speak up.

I'm not defending those who looked the other way, just making the point that these things are complex, multiple factors combine to create circumstances where abusers are able to operate.

Sadly, some parents don't care. That is a reality. If that shocks you or you can't believe it - then lucky, lucky you.

Spero The "milkman" thread is a good example of what you mean