To love this buggy!

[curiousgeorgie]

DH got a delivery this morning....

My DD2 is a nightmare. She screams and cries if I put her in the pram, she's impossible to pacify in a restaurant or shopping etc...

So DH says this is the solution.

She's been quiet for 15 minutes!!!!

As I've already explained, they're not in front of them all day (sigh.)

This week they've been to softplay, 2 farms, a singalong movie and 2 friends houses. We've built a sylvanian town (and dd2 has knocked it down), we've tried to teach her hide and seek, we've all played with the dog and she's crawled around making a huge mess.

Using an iPad doesn't mean that's all they do. They have it in moderation, that doesn't mean it's not fantastic.

OldFace - there have been lots of advancements in the past 40 years... Should we not use them either because you didn't have them?

I don't need to buy a dictionary btw, I have one on my iPad

Georgie, why did you ask? You don't want anyone's opinions, you are so sure you are right yet again so why bother?

Last post, I promise!

At the beginning of the thread you were more focussed on keeping dd2 entertained while you ate dinner and drank your Pinot. Now it's turned to you finding it essential due to your daughters additional needs.

Which one is it?

OldFace - there have been lots of advancements in the past 40 years... Should we not use them either because you didn't have them?

Oh dear again.

Is that really what you took my point to be?

Have you looked up the definition of 'essential' yet?

The increasing use of IT in the field of OT etc does sound wonderful, just not essential.

It's essential to DD1, it's useful for DD2. That was more in defence of iPads in general more than the situation of using one on holiday. I would unashamedly say that I would use one for distraction purposes, it doesn't mean she's in front of one all the time.

Okay Oldface - not essential to you, but essential to me. It's subjective.

If all the tablets on earth got eaten by an evil virus tomorrow curious, you would adjust and manage just fine. And you would make sure your DC thrived. Honestly.

Food, meds, warmth and shelter are essential. And love of course.

Don't get too hung up on fashions in education or medicine [seasoned old SEN gimmer]

Not sure about this.......

I haven't read all the posts so apologise in advance. OP you need a break from your child so whatever you chose to do is your business. Some posters have said we were stuck in front of the telly when we were young in the 70's and 80's. The difference is that when we left the house and went outside we weren't watching telly. We looked around and out of car and bus windows. Nature is good for people whether its trees or cityscapes. We actually spoke face to face with our friends.

I have two teenagers who are absolutely normal in their use of electronic devices. They are like heroin addicts when I switch off the internet. Research shows that the figures for children presenting with eye problems, physical health problems, mental health problems, bullying, social isolation, obesity have escalated hugely as a result of being stuck in front of a screen.

I was on holidays recently and looked out of my 8th floor balcony at the tables below outside and no exaggeration most of the people below were on their phones/internet etc.

I don't need to be a scientist to know instinctively know that this level of computer use is a massive threat to society. Call me whatever you like but I see it in my own home with two pretty level headed teenagers.

To me as a parent, anything which can improve my child's quality of life and which I can provide is an essential.

I'm interested to know more about the research into screen time - obviously the phrase 'it damages their brains' is rather terrifying and I'd like to know what kind of damage is caused and what the effects can be so if anyone can summarise or point me towards some more detailed explanations that would be great.

I never set specific limits on screen time but before my ds was two he didn't have the attention span to watch masses of tv. We did have a portable DVD player in the car specifically for a couple of lengthy car journeys when he was 18 months and that was handy. He didn't expect it in the car after that.

However, when he was about 2.8 I fell pregnant again and had hyperemesis for the second time. I arranged as much childcare as possible but for the two days a week I had him on my own he watched literally twelve hours tv a day (or at least it was on all that time, he did play but basically I lay on the sofa with frequent bathroom trips whilst it was on all day). Since the baby was born 4.5 months ago, tv has certainly been on plenty and it catches the baby's attention briefly sometimes too. I don't feel very well informed on the issue.

I'll put in the usual disclaimer that whilst I don't believe my 3yo to be particularly advanced he certainly has great language skills, plays very imaginatively and builds pretty good Lego models. I'm not saying that means he's unaffected by excessive screen time, more that there isn't anything immediately obvious to me at the moment.

Soverylucky - it was early on in the thread when she insinuated that I didn't buy the pram for holiday purposes. But you clearly don't agree as you've asked this about 6 times.

Georgie, why did you ask? You don't want anyone's opinions, you are so sure you are right yet again so why bother?

Because she has no interest in whether we think she is unreasonable or not. She most likely posted here for the traffic.

Yes. I think she did call me a liar.

Don't really know what else to add.

It was easy to defend what she said, but I think it's true intention was to call me a liar. Clearer?

And I thought she was quite unpleasant.

Soverylucky - it was early on in the thread when she insinuated that I didn't buy the pram for holiday purposes. But you clearly don't agree as you've asked this about 6 times.

soverylucky the OP can't say when I called her a liar as I didn't.

It seems to be a stock response as she accused someone else of calling her a liar too.

I'd actually have more respect for her choices if she had the courage of her convictions.

The OP made it pretty clear this pram was the best thing since sliced bread for general use initially- the majority disagreed with her sothen it was for holidays (evenings and queues), then just dinners, now it's educationally essential.

There was absolutely no point in her starting this thread as she's clearly right about everything.

I'm just wondering how long her daughter has spent in the buggy today since the OP has been on her all day

Bearbehind - this is the unpleasantness I'm talking about... Do you actually think my daughter has been in a pram all day?

And I thought she was quite unpleasant.

Ah- so I'm unpleasant because I disagree with you?

Wind your neck in OP- you've come across pretty badly on here yourself.

No, you're unpleasant because you're accusing me of being a neglectful parent which is entirely untrue.

My DD's are with my MIL having a play date. Not that it's your business.