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to get annoyed with my friend for failing to understand there is a difference between having a child and babysitting/working with children?

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BauerTime · 22/08/2014 12:09

I'm getting increasingly frustrated with my dear friend, who is lovely and selfless and doesn't have a bad bone in her body, but seems to think that she knows all about the complexity of raising a child and the way it changes your life and capabilities, because she has nieces and nephews who she minds now and again, and works in a school. I have no doubt that she is fully capable of looking after kids, she is in fact a complete natural with them. She works with children with SEN and other disabilities and is also great at her job.

However, what is really grating on me is that she comments on others parenting, gives unsolicited advice on how to raise a child, has a complete lack of empathy for the things that come with parenting such as lower household standards/different priorities etc. I have been trying to gently point out when she goes off on one, that its not always as simple or clear cut as she thinks it is but she just refuses to see it.

This past year she has been studying, plus had a long term house guest who is messy and inconsiderate, it all got a bit on top of her and considered getting a cleaner as she never had enough hours in the day. She got v stressed at one point. I suggested that it was good practice for when she has kids in a jokey way but she completely shot me down saying that having a child would be much easier as she would have full control, would have a routine/plan, would do xyz in a day etc. She cannot see that having a small child over night, only doing fun things, having a bag fully packed of everything you need and managing to get through it and drop them back home 24 hours later is not what its like to live it every day.

I know that you have no idea if the full on-ness of having a small child until you have one but surely you can see that its not the same as a sleepover or a day at work, leaving it all behind at 5pm??????

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Seriouslyffs · 22/08/2014 13:21

Why is this a problem?

trixymalixy · 22/08/2014 13:25

YANBU, she'll learn. I remember friends warning me how hard it was being a parent. I had NO idea it was going to be so hard. The thing is that you can't actually communicate the relentlessness of it all. They have to experience it themselves to fully understand.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 22/08/2014 13:31

OMG Alleycat be careful with SWMNBN

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ShadowStar · 22/08/2014 13:32

YANBU.

I'd be finding that annoying too.

Although I have to admit that before DS1 was born, I too was going to be a perfect parent with a perfect house and perfectly well behaved children [hollow laugh]

And yes. Even the easiest baby in the world is going to mean some changes and adjustments to your life.

sillystring · 22/08/2014 13:35

I never really understood the whole "I can't get dressed until 2pm" and the house being a total state when people had DC. After about 2 or 3 weeks with DD I was in a routine and it really annoyed me when I made arrangements with people with DCs and they'd be all "Oh....I'm still in my pyjamas". Some people just get better organised than others, maybe your friend will manage just fine.

DeWee · 22/08/2014 13:47
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I agree. But I can always counter that I was a nanny for two years. I loved those little ones so much, and did so much with them. One of them used to call me "mama" when out-his mum used to joke it was a job description!

However I can tell you it is nothing like having your own:
When my charges were ill-the mum wanted to look after them.
If I was ill, she didn't want me coming in case I infected them.
I didn't get woken at 4am with them as I didn't do overnight.
If I didn't know what to do, then I could call them and ask.
I could go out at night without arranging a babysitter.
I could have a lie in at the weekend.
When I was with them my job was to look after them, so I would spend the time playing rather than doing necessary housework with them moaning at me, or grabbing a quick snack while they dosed...

And dd1 was the easiest baby ever: Slept through at 8 weeks (12 hours), ate everything, played on her own from an early age....

strawberryangel · 22/08/2014 13:48

How many kids, sillystring ? And what ages?

Have you ever had one that wouldn't be put down all day? Or one with 'colic' that screamed for 4 hours, right through teatime and bedtime for your other two, with no other parent on hand to carry through the routine? Or tried to establish breastfeeding with your second while trying to potty train your first?

BauerTime · 22/08/2014 13:48

silly I'm not in the pyjama camp either, and i do still manage to get out on time 99.9% of the time. Plus i had a great time when DS was a few weeks old, on DH's first day back at work i did loads of housework and thought it was easy. I'm not saying its not possible to keep on top of things but there is a big difference between getting everything done eventually and just breezing through and worrying about how regularly i managed to get my hair cut etc once you are responsible, full time, for another little human being.

To take the baking a cake when the kitchen is spotless example, knowing that you might find a bit of flour on the floor after they have tidied away themselves and it meaning you have to go back and wipe it up isn't really comparable to having food flung round the room 3 times a day every day that you then have to clean up immediately or else it will get crawled/walked on and the whole house will be covered within minutes and cause more work, all the while trying to feed/entertain/clean a wriggly child at the same, then not being able to sit on the sofa and chill out because the next mess is already being created and so it starts again. Its just not the same!

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parallax80 · 22/08/2014 13:56

YANBU to say it's different.

YWBU to turn it into a "my life is harder than yours" competition. Everyone finds different things differently stressful at different times in life.

BauerTime · 22/08/2014 14:09

I'm not saying my life is harder than hers. She thinks her life is harder than mine, and not only that, but that having a child is a breeze compared to things she has to put up with. Ive only ever compared it that once, in a jokey way and i got chapter and verse about it. Like i said upthread its the complete lack of acknowledgement of what a day entails for others BEFORE they can even get to worrying about the things that she is concerned with.

I'm not expecting her to bow down to me and think I'm marvellous for even making it through the day, its just a bit of consideration for the fact that, for example, if she can be late for no reason, then maybe think about why someone else who is late and says its because of the kids is late rather than dismiss it.

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sillystring · 22/08/2014 14:12

2 DCs with 4 year gap. My DS (youngest) NEVER, EVER slept during the day, apart from the odd 20 minute power nap. Still managed to get out and about and everything done. I just like being organised.

tittifilarious · 22/08/2014 14:15

sillystring
2 DCs with 4 year gap. My DS (youngest) NEVER, EVER slept during the day, apart from the odd 20 minute power nap. Still managed to get out and about and everything done. I just like being organised.

Are you me? Same gap, same refusal-to-sleep-in the-day - unless of course we were actually out!

BranchingOut · 22/08/2014 14:17

In fairness, although she does sound slightly irritating, you did start the conversation by mentioning that it was good preparation for when she had kids.

Also, working with children does give you slightly more idea about what it might be like to have your own than working in advertising, or being a hairdresser or working as a mechanic.

I was an infant and early years teacher and found that having my own baby and being on maternity leave was like a rest cure after teaching full time! One baby (albeit 24 hours ) versus 30 five year olds (school hours) -way easier!

Even as he has grown older and more stubborn, a day as a SAHM is still much easier for me than a day in teaching.

sillystring · 22/08/2014 14:18

Lol titti. He used to sometimes sleep in the pram on a walk along the canal or something. People would look in and coo at how gorgeous the sleeping little angel was, unbeknownst to them he hadn't shut his eyes for 8 hours straight. We all get there in the end though...

BranchingOut · 22/08/2014 14:19

I work in a new job now, but mean my days at home.

MyFairyKing · 22/08/2014 14:24

It does sound like you are both playing competitive "my life is harder than yours".

rookiemater · 22/08/2014 14:25

I can see both sides here. It's impossible to understand what life is like with a DC and to be fair, I'd rather have my DS than a long term messy, inconsiderate house guest. Although I felt he did wake me up rather a lot when he was a baby.

I found it a bit insulting before DS as I had him quite late and quite a lot of people would be like, oh you don't know what stress is like wait until you have a baby, or think you're tired you don't know what that means until you have DCs etc. etc. Now some of that is true, but it really just doesn't need to be said, particularly when your DF just wanted to unload about how hard she was finding things - or are only people with DCs allowed to moan?

cricketpitch · 22/08/2014 14:28

I agree with PP who have said it sounds as if you are having a competition. And I used to hate the patronizing attitudes of parents who treated me as if I knew nothing because I hadn't had kids. We all have different life experiences and as such know little of each others' lives - that's why we talk to each other.

I have kids now - but I only know what it is like to have MY kids in MY circumstances.

tittifilarious · 22/08/2014 14:33

BauerTime
I'm not saying my life is harder than hers. She thinks her life is harder than mine

and your posts infer that she is incorrect. So you Are kind of saying your life is harder than hers.

I do know what you mean though, but just smile through it thinking "you'll see..."

FreeSpiritsBadAttitude · 22/08/2014 14:35

tittifilarious that was my list exactly! Especially the TV one, I was going to spend hours doing tasteful craft activities with mine as soon as they could grasp a Pritt stick.

Goldmandra · 22/08/2014 14:43

One of my greatest entertainments ever was working in a baby room listening to a group of young nursery practitioners talking about how they were going to parent. One was even going to have a baby that drank cold formula from day one because it was too much faff heating bottles.

Over the next couple of years they all happened to have their own babies quite close together. Oh I did laugh, inwardly of course, as reality hit them all square between the eyes Grin

melissa83 · 22/08/2014 14:51

I agree with her that having your own children is really easy once your used to working with them. I totally get where shes coming from

Dangermouse1 · 22/08/2014 14:56

YANBU but you do need to cut your friend some slack. I remember getting quite irritated with a good friend if mine that whatever was going on in my life that was tiring / stressful / difficult was never heard with any sympathy / constructive suggestions but always a "nothing is as stressful as having a child, you don't know you're born just sitting round drinking coffee all day" (I.e. going to work) type of attitude.Of course, now I have a child I see her point....

melissa83 · 22/08/2014 15:01

I do think that having your own isnt relentless at all. I am very much of the school that babies/children should slot in with your routine. Its harder when they are not your own as there are so many with varying needs.

Kewcumber · 22/08/2014 15:03

Give up

She doesn't understand

She can't understand and anyway maybe she's right having a child will be a breeze for her.

I'd take a differnt tack

"Its not very tactful giving people advice on child rearing when you don;t have any even if you're right"

It falls into the things you shouldn't give advise on if you haven't experienced it yourself... bereavement, terminal or life limiting illnesses, racism, infertility

I'm sure there are others!

Of course you're allowed an opinion its just more tactful not to voice that opinion to those who are dealing with it.