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to think that 'mini-wife' is problematic for exactly the same reasons that 'jailbait' is problematic?

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ArsenicyOldFace · 21/08/2014 18:48

In that it transfers responsibility from adult men onto female children?

Thankfully one doesn't hear the word 'jailbait' much any more; society has moved on and we now understand the process of grooming etc

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ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 18:05

No point in attempting cordial discussion here ATM Nicki. Shame.

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Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 22/08/2014 18:06

Hilarious !! Feel like some one is grassing on me in school because I said they smell or similar ! Really made me giggle. Thanks Grin Grin

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 18:07

You were deleted for it FGS.

What the hell is the point in calling me a liar for pointing out it was an attack? Confused

Bizarre.

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FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 18:38

Off topic I know but I have just cooked a meal I found on Pintrest. And it looked exactly as the picture plus tasted gorgeous. Sorry just had to get it out. Grin

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 18:47
Grin

Did you spray it with baby oil and put thousand watt lamps all around?

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FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 18:50

I kind of just put it all in the dish and bunged it in the oven.

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 18:52

What was it? [hungryface]

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FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 19:03

It was a potato, chicken, cheese & spring onion bake thingy with Paprika & Garlic. Was lush.

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 19:06

Ooooo link please Smile

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FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 19:10

Chicken thingy

PausingFlatly · 22/08/2014 19:14

I am... bewildered by recent posts.

The OP is an impersonal discussion of a particular terminology.

There have been lots of reasonable points, well made, and a considerable degree of agreement. But also robust disagreement about details. There has been an explicit invitation for people who disagree to post and discuss their disagreement.

And now this is being described as venting, as leaving in peace, as pulling people apart.

What the fuck is going on here?

WakeyCakey45 · 22/08/2014 19:14

At the risk of bringing the discussion back on topic, can I just emphasis, to the small number of posters who have said that boys are being ignored, that my sole interest in this issue is because my DSS is being spousified and parentified by his abusive mother.

When I read posts referring to MWS, I equate the scenario to the one in which my DSS and his mother (and indeed, his mother and her own mother) are embroiled. The term "wife" in this context doesn't have the same, limited, meaning to me as it does to other posters fighting for it's elimination. I accept their pov, but hope they can accept my own, which is that it's just 'words'. I understand they some may wish to eliminate it, but can I plea that the "fight" to eliminate it isn't at the expense of the primary purpose we all agree on?

While I don't see the need for a slang term, I can relate to it's use, and certainly don't see the "red mist" that others experience when reading it. The experience of the poster using it helps me. I accept there has been a great deal of any angst and disquiet amongst regular posters and readers on the stepparenting boards, and that MNHQ has identified two "camps". While the motive of one, or both of these camps may be to challenge/eliminate the use of certain terms and phrases, I hope that isn't at the expense of the range and diversity of postings. I hope the stepparenting board won't continue to be littered with derailed threads and deleted posts. Because what was there, while it may not have been perfect, did help me, and I hope, other posters. Now, I'm second guessing what I say on the board, and giving up reading threads like this one when they degenerate into slanging matches.

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 19:18

What the fuck is going on here?

We might well ask.

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ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 19:20

Looks delicious Floss

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ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 19:23

While I don't see the need for a slang term, I can relate to it's use, and certainly don't see the "red mist" that others experience when reading it.

But before I go.....

What 'red mist' Wakey?

Who has claimed to see a red mist? People object. On rational grounds.

There really is determination to attribute emotional motivations here (vent, shred, red mist) which is very silly.

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WakeyCakey45 · 22/08/2014 19:30

There really is determination to attribute emotional motivations here

It's certainly not an objective discussion over the use of the English language Wink

The term has, on this thread, been describe as vile, horrid, and even makes one posters flesh crawl.

I accept some, like yourself, arsenicy are debating the term in relation to how you objectively interpret it, others are definitely reacting emotionally about it.

Fairenuff · 22/08/2014 19:31

Yeah, I definitely don't get any 'red mist'. I also don't really understand all the angst.

Term starts being used
Some posters say they find term offensive
Other posters defend the right to use the term
Discussion over what term means and why it is considered offensive

As far as I can tell, that is as far as we've got so far. It's still in discussion. Maybe we could take a vote, those who want it banned on mn and those who want it to stay?

I don't know. All I do know is that if I was innocently using a term and someone brought to my attention that it was offensive to others, I would stop using it. How hard is that?

PausingFlatly · 22/08/2014 19:35

But there's a huge gulf between saying the way the term is sometimes used is vile and horrid, and describing this as venting.

WakeyCakey45 · 22/08/2014 19:36

Maybe we could take a vote, those who want it banned on mn and those who want it to stay?

Goodness, it's Groundhog Day!

There is an almost identical thread, resulting in EXACTLY the same proposal, about another contentious term used on the step board, from a few months ago.

It was even posted as a suggestion on the "site stuff" board.

PausingFlatly · 22/08/2014 19:39

And I actually don't understand how you can one minute be posting that it's really important to make the distinction between the words "parentification" and "spousification" (I agree with you, btw), and the next be saying that your POV is it doesn't matter, "it's just words"?

This is baffling me.

PausingFlatly · 22/08/2014 19:41

Have I mixed posters up? Was is two different people saying that?

WakeyCakey45 · 22/08/2014 19:44

pausing to me, the term MWS is just words because it doesn't have a formal, clinical definition.

There are many definitions and interpretations of the phrase published all over the internet. Including several different ones here on MN. I have no idea, when the OP uses it, which definition they are using.

So I overlook the words and read the description and interpret the whole post, not a single term that may mean something very different to the OP than it means to others.

FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 19:50

That's what I don't get wakey if the poster is explaining/describing the behaviours in their OP then why do they need to use the term mini wife?

PausingFlatly · 22/08/2014 19:51

Hmm But above you told me that posters used MWS to mean spousification, and that distinctions were important.

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 19:53

Maybe "the right to vent" is like a "get out of jail free" card in monopoly pausing?

It is VERY IMPORTANT (tm) to use correct therapeutic terminology at all times until you see the 'red mist' (tm) and then you invoke your 'right to vent' (tm) by presenting the card and can say what you like, offensive or not, constructive or not, accurate or not? Is that it Wakey?

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