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to think that 'mini-wife' is problematic for exactly the same reasons that 'jailbait' is problematic?

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ArsenicyOldFace · 21/08/2014 18:48

In that it transfers responsibility from adult men onto female children?

Thankfully one doesn't hear the word 'jailbait' much any more; society has moved on and we now understand the process of grooming etc

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Fairenuff · 22/08/2014 16:13

if my DH starts a sexual 'relationship' with a 15 year old next week and I start a thread 'venting' about the 'jailbait' who seduced him, how do you think that would go?

I think this is relevant though, because you would be told that it's not the child's fault, it is the adult behaviour which is the problem.

No-one would sympathise with you and agree that she was a man-eating seductress. And you would be told that the term is offensive.

And this is what has been happening when posters 'vent' horrible things about their dsd's behaviour, clearly blaming and resenting the child, whilst not being willing to open their minds to the fact that it's actually the adult that needs to be challenged and that the term MW is offensive.

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 16:14

Thank you Faire, it seems obviously so to me Confused

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Iris270567 · 22/08/2014 16:17

Look at 'Electra Complex' in psychotherapy - that is extreme but there are varying degrees of it. I think that is what people are talking about.

It often occurs when a divorced ex makes reference to the Dad leaving 'us'. This implies that there is the same relationship between a daughter and a Dad and a wife. The child is confused and thinks she is in competition for the Dads affection in the same way as the 'new' woman. Instead of making it clear that the Dad has 'left' the wife and not the children it can cause this issue.

NickiFury · 22/08/2014 16:20

Exactly Arsenic (post at 16.06)

NickiFury · 22/08/2014 16:21

And the others actually.

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 22/08/2014 16:39

It is different because the hyperthetical situation your supposing is actually illegal. So by all means 'vent' but be prepared to be shot down in a ball of flames by 100% of MN.

A Sp coming on here to 'vent' 'blow of steam' will undoubtedly get support from MN because a lot of posters can relate to the feeling the op maybe strugglingto deal with. Along side that there will be given many kinds of advice.

Anyway this thread is elvolving in to what should and should not be allowed to be said on MN and the only people that can censor that is HQ.

Back to the thread topic, yes, mini wife and jail bait are hideous phrases.

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 16:50

Posters don't only get flamed according to legality though, do they?

Back to the thread topic, yes, mini wife and jail bait are hideous phrases.

It seems that most people agree, once you leave the step-parenting board. Which is nice Smile

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Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 22/08/2014 16:59

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FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 17:03

Sorry Softly I don't understand what you mean? Are you saying Arse should not post on the SP boards?

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 17:05

Why Softly? Am I the wrong kind of SM?

Because I am divorced from the father of my DSC? Or because being currently married to stepfather doesn't earn me entry? Or because I don't subscribe to the view of 'the right way to be SM' that held sway for so long on that board?

WHO gets to decide which SMs are welcome on the board? Do tell us.

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ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 17:05

Why Softly? Am I the wrong kind of SM?

Because I am divorced from the father of my DSC? Or because being currently married to stepfather doesn't earn me entry? Or because I don't subscribe to the view of 'the right way to be SM' that held sway for so long on that board?

WHO gets to decide which SMs are welcome on the board? Do tell us.

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FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 17:05

Sorry Softly I don't understand what you mean.
Are you saying Arse shouldn't post on the SP boards?

FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 17:06

Erm some sort of weird double post thing Blush

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 17:07

I do believe that is what she is saying Floss

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ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 17:07

Yes the site seemed to freeze or something...

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ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 17:11

Softly would you mind explaining why I should stay away from cerain boards because you say so?

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ZoeWannaBaker · 22/08/2014 17:18

Arsenicy , you are coming across as a bit goady now.

You've started a thread about a subject being discussed over on SP which of course you have every right to do.

The SMs you disagreed with have left well alone, jolly good.

You're all agreed what a lovely chat you're having now the nasty SMs aren't putting their two penneth in.

Can you see that might look a bit like you're after rehashing the argument?

I'm sure you're not, but it certainly looks like that.

FWIW I don't like the terms mini-wife or jail bait either, but then neither does Softly as she has stated. So why not keep this reasonable discussion as that eh?

FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 17:22

Zoe I am a SM and I agree with Are and others on this thread.

For Softly to say wonder though arsenicy, it seems as if the majority of SM have left you in peace with this thread (with MN help) so I wonder if you will afford the step parenting boards the same ....

Reads to e as if she is saying Arse should stay away from the SP boards. I think Arse asking her what she means by that post is not goady at all but completely justified.

Also I have seen no post on here that calls SM nasty. You are just trying to be goady.

Fairenuff · 22/08/2014 17:25

You've started a thread about a subject being discussed over on SP which of course you have every right to do.

Not just on SP, it comes up on AIBU as well.

You're all agreed what a lovely chat you're having now the nasty SMs aren't putting their two penneth in.

Where are you getting this from?

why not keep this reasonable discussion as that eh?

This whole thread has been reasonable, Zoe, what posts are you talking about?

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 17:25

Zoe, with respect, you (and everyone else who is doing it) are looking more than a bit goady by repeatedly;

a) insisting this exactly the same debate rehashed

b) insisting it is a SM vs non-SM issue. I am a SM. Many of the other posters who dislike the term MW are SMs. Why insist otherwise?

FWIW I don't like the terms mini-wife or jail bait either, but then neither does Softly as she has stated. So why not keep this reasonable discussion as that eh?

I had indeed agreed with her moments before she told me not to post on the step-parenting board. My DH and I both have DSC - it is a key feature of our lives. I have taken a stance on negative language about children. That is all.

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ZoeWannaBaker · 22/08/2014 17:26

No I'm not at all, far from it, I'm trying to be a peacemaker if anything.

I'm just trying to say to Arsenicy how she and her posts on this thread may be coming across, people are obviously feeling prickly about this whole issue. SP has been bunfight galore recently.

ArsenicyOldFace · 22/08/2014 17:27

No I'm not at all, far from it, I'm trying to be a peacemaker if anything.

Then you have misunderstood.

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olgaga · 22/08/2014 17:28

As a product of a "blended" family and with a friend who recently went through a soul-destroying divorce, I often read the step-parenting board.

Apparently children are expected to adjust to the separation of their parents without complaint.

They must love the "best father in the world", the greedy, grasping (poss MH issues/neglectful) ex wife, the new partner/wife (and their kids if applicable). They must have developed diplomacy skills, manners, and the ability to deal with disappointment by age 4 - ideally before.

This is despite the emotional hardship they have suffered through life-changing separation and often difficult and inconsistent financial circumstances.

Having two "homes" is supposed to represent great love, care and expense rather than disruption.

Intensely competitive parenting by the NRP (often the one who left family responsibilities behind, and subsequently feels guilty) is not just prevalent, it's a "Disney" phenomenon.

And no guilt-ridden "Disney Parent" is complete without a "Mini-Wife". Curiously, there is no obvious male equivalent.

The Disney Parent has a new partner. How appalling to find that there's another little person who loves the "wonderful new partner/husband/wife/mum/dad" in a way that cannot be understood, or tolerated.

So, abandoning gender neutral terms in respect of the "mini-wife"; this is the enemy. She is usually as greedy, grasping and neurotic as the ex, and has adopted all the ex's worst unique behavioural issues.

Except unlike the ex, she has the power to expect and demand priority, time, finance and undermine parental and step-parental authority.

How can this menace be eradicated?

Let's give her a really insulting, dehumanising nickname. Dress it up with some psychology which originally blamed the behaviour of NRPs, and reinterpret it as blaming the child for some imagined psychological/personality disorder. Then call it a "syndrome".

And find other similar step-parents, who have also found the grass isn't always greener second time around.

Thank goodnessfor MN, where other people's children can freely be blamed for relationship misery.

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 22/08/2014 17:29

Wow! arsenic when did I ever say you had to leave the parenting boards ? I didn't. I said you were afforded peace (with the help of HQ) on this thread. You were pissed of at something , you came on here to discuss, complain ..to 'vent'.... Posters let you get on with it. Does that sound familiar?

I don't know your past and I don't see the relevance in it. People are allowed an opinion even if it's different to yours.

even though mine didn't but you were spoiling for a fight

WHO gets to decide which SMs are welcome on the board? Do tell us

Read what you posted, then read it again. It applies to all the sm you have been pulling to pieces on here all day also. I'm really not surprised at your aggressive hostile response as there has been a negative undertone in your last few posts.

I've off the thread now as you got your scrap ! Good luck!

FlossyMoo · 22/08/2014 17:30

Sorry Zoe but that post was not about keeping the peace. You accused Arse of being goady. Where is the peace n that?

This thread has 247 posts and has not resulted in a bun fight but has instead brought some interesting thoughts, pov, helpful web links until softly implied Arse should stay away from the SP board and YOU accused her of being goady Confused

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