to wonder how Scotland's decision will affect england?

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Just that really? If they do go their ownway how will it affect england?

Also will it open a can of worms with wales and northern Ireland?

Scottish and British/Californian and American are not like for like.

Your comparison implies Scotland is a state of a larger country, which we all know is horseshit.

"The UK may have tried to obliterate Scotland" fgs fanny that type of rhetoric is worthy of the braveheart facebookers, what a load of crap.
I'm Scottish and British. I don't regard English, Welsh or NI people as foreign either. I think Scotland could be independent, but I don't think it would be a successful independence so therefore I will be voting no.
Denmark ain't Utopia

On what basis is that a Bullshit comparison? Because one of the other constituent parts is bigger than us? You consider yourself under English rule. I do not.

I do not believe Scottish politicians are any better.

Maybe, but unlike with MPs, if MSPs are corrupt wankers they can be voted out by the Scottish electorate.

They can be voted out by their constituents just like mps. I can't vote out a Glasgow Msp any more than I can vote out a Birmingham mp.

The UK may have tried to obliterate Scotland

Indeed somewhat overblown rhetoric but, a couple of examples,

The Mccrone report
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4303750.stm

And can't find a direct link but Mundell claimed that the act of union "extinguished Scotland".

So no the UK has not tried to obliterate Scotland unless of course some of the nukes accidentally go off but they have done their best to show that Scotland is too wee, too poor, and too stupid to stand on its own two feet.

They can be voted out by their constituents just like mps. I can't vote out a Glasgow Msp any more than I can vote out a Birmingham mp.

Sorry. You are quite right of course. I was thinking more of parties than individuals. Though of course its not quite just constituents in the PR system.

But it's true, I didn't get taught any Scottish history at school although I learned about 1066 which was before the act of Union.
We didn't learn about the highland clearances.
Didn't even know there had been a blitz in a Glasgow.

We must be one of the only countries where our history wasn't taught, do you honestly think that's acceptable?
There's no shame in learning about your countries history.

I'm no Braveheart nationalist, my partner & kids are Irish, they are not foreign.
I don't consider English people foreigners either, why would I?

There are people from many different nationalities involved in Yes campaign.
Locally, we have people from all corners of the British Isles, also people who are Polish, Spanish, Indian, it's not about nationality it's about wanting the best for the country you have chosen to make your home.
The foreigner rhetoric is pretty pathetic.

Oversimplifying for speed re constituency issue but tbh, you wouldn't have any parties left if you didn't vote for them due to expenses or such like.

I'm not sure how we compare age wise fannyfifer but I covered a truckload of Scottish history at school. Absolutely loads, from very local history to William Wallace. And most definitely the Highland clearances. And bonnie prince charlie.

I'm 41 and got quite a lot of Scottish history at school.

Hasn't the UK Government published legal advice that states that rUK (ie UK without Scotland would be the continuing state and Scotland would be the successor state) and that as such Scotland has no right to a share of the assets as it essentially became part of "greater England" when it signed the Treaty of Union?

Really? I'm 35, we honestly got nothing, all out textbooks were English history. I went to a Catholic school in Fife, so no idea if that's an issue.
DS so far has had no Scots history at Primary school.

This one?

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmfaff/643/64306.htm

Of course if Scotland is the successor state and "starts affresh internationally" then it should not take any of the debt either. This is not default. It is just that the debt belongs to the UK and would have nothing to do with a successor state.

I'm 28 and went to school in Edinburgh. I really clearly remember some of my history lessons. Embarrassingly they even showed us bits of braveheart! No I'm not kidding....

I'm older than you both. Remember doing the Highland Clearances and Mary QoS. My DS is at high school, he covered a lot more Scottish studies than me also the famine in Ireland and WW2, not all in History but also Modern Studies and RE.
I agree the curriculum should include Scotland's history and culture as part of a broad education.

I went to school in Tayside (non denominational). My daughter did masses of Scottish history last year (primary 6). My son was in primary 3 last year and I don't think they've done much history at all.

Statistically if they showed Braveheart in a lesson please tell me they at least pointed out the worst of the historical inaccuracies??

I would guess a lot of what got taught would depend on the leanings of the individual teacher eg the Blitz would probably definitely be covered, but an individual teacher might decide to mention Clydebank alongside?

Itsallgoingtobefine Maybe no supporters tend towards an already low standard of living, and think independence will give them a boost?
Aspiring toward a better standard of living is a bad thing?

At whose expense? Mine? No thanks. Theres already a generous welfare state in Scotland. I very much doubt if taxes were raised to Norwegian levels (and remember theres around 1 million of Norway's tiny population dependent on state benefits), Scotland would improve its standard of living much.

What I expect it would do, and this is borne out by the actings of the Scottish Parliament, is to create even more overpaid state sector lower and middle management jobs, license ever more normal activities, and do very little actually to make life much nicer for the squeezed middle who don't currently have that much spare money to spend on extra tax anyway.

In other words, I don't see why I should pay more tax for some under-qualified man to walk into an easy well paid job in the public sector. Which seems to be the main type of person who preaches about the wonders of independence on Facebook. Not admittedly representative of the whole, but there you go.

I realise that in your world Itsall the list of Things One Is Allowed To Say is very limited, and fully expect this post to have transgressed in some way.

History I was taught in a Scottish school - mainly the Russian Revolution, Irish Famine, Industrial Revolution and WW2 (but ran out of time!).

And now Scottish education noted for short, very limited response answers, many, many exams, from NABs to prelims, to teach the required response, before the actual exam itself. As opposed to covering a subject in depth.

As for scandals, recent newspaper reports only hint at whats still not been uncovered in Scotland. Nicolas Fairbairn, Robert Henderson QC, evidence going missing and dropped prosecutions, allegedly members of the Scottish Establishment involved in various rings, and still no political will to investigate, despite the Parliament being in existence.

And Sweden = lagom, Denmark = jatelow - surely a recipe for mediocracy if ever there was one?

*jantelov

Are you a name changer Chelsy? Your posting style and views on Scotland/Scottish independence seem very familiar?

Familiar alright.

We didn't learn about the highland clearances.
Didn't even know there had been a blitz in a Glasgow

Given the frequency the clearances get dragged into any argument about Scotland being oppressed it's hardly necessary.

I can't honestly remember precisely every area of history I was taught although I did it to the old certificate of sixth year studies which concentrated on post Versailles , Weimar and the lead up to WW2 but not WW2 itself.

For goodness sake some of it has to be missed out. I know we spent a lot of time on European history, the Napoleonic wars, the rise of nationalism in Europe, Italian and German unification, lots of political history such as enfranchisement and the trades union movement, the Corn laws, the development of social justice through the Factory Acts and the Education Acts of which frankly are more important than the clearances.

I expect there are several places in the UK which also suffered bomb damage but don't get a mention as the concentration is on London, Coventry and Clydebank.

This is not default. It is just that the debt belongs to the UK and would have nothing to do with a successor state

Well that should impress the international banks.