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to wonder how Scotland's decision will affect england?

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LEMmingaround · 06/08/2014 20:35

Just that really? If they do go their ownway how will it affect england?

Also will it open a can of worms with wales and northern Ireland?

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OOAOML · 13/08/2014 14:51

You'd be brilliant - still time!

PhaedraIsMyName · 14/08/2014 01:24

Which side are you campaigning for? We've not had anyone for either side but I suspect my street is a safe bet or a lost cause depending on what side your on.

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 14/08/2014 01:51

OOAOML is firmly on the No side.

I have had no canvassers of either side at my door (but then I live rurally, and have very few unexpected vistors). Have had no phone canvassers either; would be interested in knowing what lists you're given? (Don't expect canvassers, as I'm registered with the TPS, just curious!)

prettybird · 14/08/2014 08:06

I've had phone canvassers (from both sides) even though I'm on the TPS, so I'm not sure that makes a difference.

I should've asked them where they got their lists. Not the electoral register as they asked initially for Mr Dh, then asked if I was Mrs Dh and didn't seem to realise that Ms Prettybird was the other voter in the house Confused. They were lucky to get that far, as I usually put the phone down, assuming yet more cold callers! Grin

OOAOML · 14/08/2014 12:42

Sorry, been off doing some work (job getting in the way of politics). I live in an area with high population density, so quite a bit of activity. Not sure about the more rural areas - suppose whether there is door to door canvassing depends on organisation and number of activists. There is a lot of phoning going on, although obviously not everyone is in to answer the phone.

Both sides get access to the electoral register, regardless of TPS. I know they have edited lists, not sure on criteria - yes as well, the canvasser we had only went to selected flats in our building.

Some people canvassing (both sides) are experienced activists, but there's a lot of people new to politics as well.

Phaedra do you want canvassed?

prettybird · 14/08/2014 13:01

OOAML - does that electoral roll access apply even if you have opted out of the edited register, which both dh and I have done or rather, I did on dh's behalf when I did the on-line registration ?

That's why I was short with confused by the canvasser (can't even remember if it was a Yes or No one): they didn't ask for Ms Prettybird (me), who is on the register but assumed I was Mrs

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 14/08/2014 13:32

Where do you get phone numbers from? Has some poor sod had to sit down with the electoral roll and a phone book? (We're not on the edited electoral roll and are ex-directory.)

The things you never realised you didn't know... Grin

OOAOML · 14/08/2014 14:04

The electoral commission website confirms that official campaigns (I think just the 'lead' campaigns but am skim reading in a hurry) get access to the full electoral register ( though there is a facility to be anonymous on this, you have to apply for it and state reason). Don't know re phone numbers - are they not on the form when you register? Been at the same address for over 10 years so we always just tick the form and send it back.

I was very short the other day with a caller (delay before answering, Indian call centre, presumably not a political call) who asked for Mrs DHFirstName DHSurname. I told her that Mrs was a female title and DHFirstName was a male name, and that no such person existed.

maybe all canvassers and cold callers should be given a MN training session on names and gender politics Wink

prettybird · 14/08/2014 14:25

I'm sure I didn't put my phone number on when I did the on-line electoral registration.

Not sure how they got the number though (unless it was from some other "bought" list) as then they would've asked for "Ms unpronounceable surname Prettybird" as the phone number is in my name, rather than Mr

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/08/2014 14:45

I'm guessing that they didn't have your name at all. They probably have each person listed separately rather than by household so tried "is that Mrs dh "in the absence of a name. Especially likely if they were using a dialler.

How they got the number, who knows!

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 14/08/2014 15:42

Agree with prettybird, no phone number required when you register to vote. Hmm.

I sometimes get calls from overseas asking if I'm Mrs SurnameofDS2'spalwhostayedhereforawhile6yearsago...

OOAOML · 14/08/2014 17:20

I really don't know. I'm not involved in the office admin side of campaigning. Although now I think about it we've had calls from Labour in the past ( general election I think ) so presumably they got our number from somewhere as well.

PhaedraIsMyName · 14/08/2014 17:41

Phaedra do you want canvassed?

Goodness no. Although I suppose I could
distract a Yes campaigner in a pointless waste of her/his time.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/08/2014 17:55

Speaking of canvassing, I follow both "sides" on Twitter, and Yes canvassers often publicise the voting intentions of those canvassed (if favourable presumably), but the No side never seem to, although both sidea seem to tweet broadly similar numbers of canvassing selfies. Is there some tactical reason for this?

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/08/2014 18:03

I'd hazard a guess that it's because the most worrying thing for the No campaign right now is probably that people just won't turn up to vote - that they'll see the latest opinion polls, go "no is going to win, it's fine", not go to the polls, and they end up with a Yes vote due to voter apathy because people assume enough other people will vote no. I think that's always more of a risk for the side that wants to maintain the status quo - people are more likely to actively vote for change I think.

The uncertainty probably works better for the BT campaign

CoreyTrevorLahey · 14/08/2014 18:15

Ethnically, the typical Scot looks quite a lot different to the typical Norwegian or Dane (with some exceptions) and they don't really have that laid-back phlegmatic calm Scandinavian vibe

Chelsy, do please enlighten me on what the 'average' Scot thinks, acts and looks like.

prettybird · 14/08/2014 18:26

Maybe that's why I'm keeping an open mind: I'm a real Heinz 57 of South African, Danish, German, Swedish, Irish, English and Australian highest proportion probably Nordic Wink

I know I feel incredibly comfortable in Iceland and loved doing business with the Icelanders as they were on a similar wavelength. Smile

OOAOML · 14/08/2014 18:46

I've seen at least one No campaigner put canvas summaries on twitter, but I don't use twitter myself so no idea of everyone else (I just look at a few people sometimes for specific things). I think Statistically may have a point. I also have a gut feeling that there's a privacy element here - I'm very wary of discussing much I hear campaigning because I'm very aware I'm asking people personal questions.

SantanaLopez · 14/08/2014 19:15

A Yes campaigner had the misfortune to knock on my door. I said no thank you very politely and he assured me he could change my mind... he regretted that Grin

OOAOML · 14/08/2014 19:21

Grin hope he enjoyed your response!

SantanaLopez · 14/08/2014 19:28

DH was nearly crying laughing Grin

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/08/2014 19:31

A Yes campaigner had the misfortune to knock on my door. I said no thank you very politely and he assured me he could change my mind... he regretted that

Having seen your posts on these threads I feel sorry for the poor guy Grin

Re voter apathy I saw something in the news today about the number of voter registrations - its a pretty incredible number, and I think there is going to be a very high turn out in these elections, so no problem with apathy :)

SantanaLopez · 14/08/2014 19:35

a record high of 4,166,683 Scottish voters

That's really fantastic.

I really was very polite Grin

PhaedraIsMyName · 14/08/2014 19:36

Oddly whilst talking about politics is usually not done unless one knows the other person well in my particular work sector it's such a given that "no" is the default setting that it is talked about freely.