To think I'm never going to get pregnant...

[Sleepswithbutterflies]

Just in hospital recovering from my second egg collection - first ivf cycle failed.

The consultant has said I need a 'full review' because he thinks there's something wrong with me as well as the fact we have extreme make factor issues. We knew about the mfi which is why we went for ivf (icsi) in the first place but didnt expect my eggs to be total crap. I'm 31, ovulate every month, have good levels of follicles.
Today they've retrieved 9 eggs. Same as last time. I've already given up. I'm tempted not to bother taking the progesterone. What's the point? Sperm are crap. Eggs are crap.

And no, I don't want to adopt.

I'm so fed up.

Hi Sleeps,

I've had fresh ivf x 2, and one frozen round. First ivf didn't work - I've heard they often treat it as a tester round (especially on the NHS) - I didn't think I was given enough of the drugs, but from their pov they were being cautious. Anyway I got seven eggs, maybe six fertilised but by day 2 none of them were great - they put two back, none were worth freezing, it failed.

Second cycle was much better, they got 12 eggs (so still not loads), maybe 9 fertilised and 8 were good quality. I had two put back, had one baby. Had a frozen cycle from the same batch four years later, two put back, now pregnant with one baby.

Im(totally unqualified)o, the first round was a duff one, and the second one, for whatever reason, obviously got a semi-decent batch. Not perfect as I never conceived twins (probably fortunately), but I consider myself very lucky.

I don't say all this to rub it in your face, but to point out that it's completely possible to fail once and then do well out of it.

Your consultant sounds insensitive at best though - I'd change clinic if I were you and it's a possibility.

Can't remember OHSS symptoms but definitely keep an eye on it.

Best of luck! Fertilityfriends is a good forum if you need further support.

I had 9 eggs collected, 5 didn't fertilize, 4 did. They put two back, and the other 2 weren't good enough to freeze. DS is now 7.

As for the recovery, I was still wincing standing up or sitting down 3 months later. The clinic I went to would only do 5 cycles in two years, so I assume months to recover from everything wasn't unusual?

The EC was not pleasant.

Thinking of you.

I think it's a bit early to be writing off this cycle, and I speak as someone who had two "textbook good" but unsuccessful IVF cycles then a third which was a total nightmare at every stage but which went on to give me not just a DD but also a DS four years later from a frozen embryo from that third cycle. And at the time of the FET his embryo didn't even technically survive the thaw (had lost cells and was doing absolutely nothing) but I had it put back in any case as I wanted closure ...

Take it easy as you can just now, eat lots of protein, drink lots of milk and take a good prenatal supplement (if OK for your diabetes) - and see what happens. Nine eggs is actually around what my clinic always aimed for, and your fertilisation rates seem good too so I'm not seeing personally how your eggs can be that bad. And being able to have IVF rather than ICSI is also good news.

Get back in touch with your clinic if you keep feeling uncomfortable in case it's OHSS or a UTI etc.

Hoping all goes well but, if not, ask for a review with the consultant and the embryologist, and maybe also consider approaching a different clinic. Oh, and see what tests you can have done before your next cycle to rule out anything which could be treated. I'm sure the IVF thread on this site is good but I personally found loads of useful information and support on Fertility Friends -including info on tests to ask for and immune issues - when I was going through the IVF rollercoaster.

Hang on in there meantime and best of luck.

Rats!
The clinic rang at 7.45am and I missed their call.
Last time they didn't ring until 1pm-ish.
Why are they ringing so early? I'm concerned it's because all my eggs have died.

Sleeps: Just wondering if you are doing the natural health boosters too?

Are you and DH taking pre conception multi vits and minerals?
Do you both avoid alcohol?
Have you tried meditation to reduce stress levels?
Avoid all artificial sweeteners and other food additives.
Avoid convenience foods.

Don't give up.

I hope it's good news, sleeps.

It was a girl embie. They tend to be slower, apparently, but even so 5 cells at day 3 is a bit lazy!

I understand the feelings of despair and how hard it all is. We had decided to go up to 5 rounds with the first 4 being mild/natural cycles because I don't cope well with hormones and the 5th being a throw everything at one last go cycle. We needed to draw a line under it because it was so hard physically and emotionally.

That's lovely news euro x x x I'm so so pleased for you.

We are taking vitamins and eating well. Neither of us smoke and I don't drink anyway. Dh has been drinking through the football but not excessively. He hasn't been drinking previously and his sperm hasn't improved in any way at all anyhow.

Oh god. Why was my phone on silent?! Dh going out now so I'm going to have to take The Call on my own. It must be bad news to ring so early.

I got nine eggs, wasn't ovulating, I think due to extreme stress, changed job... Got lucky ....remember IVF has at best a 35 % chance

Thinking of you and hoping for the best xxx

Fingers crossed for you. As a fellow diabetic well don't on your great HbA1c that is very good! Mine was similar at my last test (we are TTC) and the consultant said I was the best patient they had ever had for pre-conception control and that the reading was better than his as a non-diabetic (mine was 5.8 so very very similar).

I had a friend who finally got her baby after 7 rounds of IVF. Easy to say but hang in there.

Done not don't

My second icsi cycle is now a sleeping teenager upstairs, right next door to her brother who was conceived without any additional support- 9months later.We were told we would not get pregnant naturally.
It is many years ago now, that I went through this I remember the sadness and desperation .I really hope for you and all the others trying that like for me this fades away into an old memory, and is added to by the memories of rearing your family xx

Please don't give up...I've not actually had any IVF but I have egg donated.

They collected 11 eggs from me and only 5 fertilised, the result? Twin boys who turned 2 in June.

Whilst your consultant wasn't positive you need to be, if you need to go another round then I think you should change clinics. I hope your phone call is good news...thinking of you.

Thinking of you, waiting for that call is awful. I thought that when my embryologist rang it was bad news because she sounded monotone and asked how I was first. But it was good news.

DS is now building a track with daddy and my natural surprise (we had male factor, icsi) is snoozing.

I had OHSS and I felt like that. It got significantly worse a week after ET (because of hCG!). So keep an eye out. I was hospitalised and had loads of fluid. Symptoms for me were distended, wobbly belly (the fluid!), breathlessness and pain when breathing/coughing. Hiccuping with ohss was the worst thing ever!

Good luck, op. And don't write yourself off. Over the years I've not known anyone who's had to give up and not become a mum in some way or other eventually. It'll happen but the wait to get there is awful. X

Have heard - I've got 6.
I guess that's about average?
So I'm ok. Not thrilled but ok. Slightly worried as last time all fertilised and we still only ended up with two that were going anywhere by day 3.

You only need 1 to grow so 6 is good, good luck and sending growth vibes...

Thank you.
6 just doesn't seem that many...I know we only need one but surely more chance of getting one if you start with about 15!

I think with this it's quality not quantity, fingers and toes crossed this is your time

True - unfortunately the quality is probably crap too!

Thank you for the good luck. Please keep sending it my way!

Do they implant on day 3 or 5, I think my lady had 2 implanted on day 5.

A lot depends on what day your clinic transfers too - my clinic does it on day 2 (!) so on the surface it looks like more of mine made it but no doubt by day three or especially day 5 some would have stopped. That's why I always chose to transfer two despite the risks.

It depends.
If they have a clear front runner on day 3 they will transfer then. It's only if there are several to choose from that are still going that they will go to day 5.

On our second round of ivf we got 7 eggs, and only one fertilized (all did first time around). I was devastated and pretty much gave up. It was transferred on day 2 (why wait if you only have one? ).

My son is just about to turn 2.

Don't give up hope. You really just just don't know how it will go. Best of luck at a very stressful time

We had six of the seven fertilise. Four were done with ICSI the rest IVF. The two that made it to blasto were IVF ones. DH also produced a vastly improved sample on the day. Funnily enough on transfer day I was convinced it hadn't worked. I was very wrong so don't worry about gut feelings, I think after so long you kind of set yourself up for failure. Be kind to yourself - the consultant told me in other circumstances you'd have a general for collection but they can't do that then transfer a few days later so it's bound to be tough on your body. I've got everythng crossed for you and your wee bobbles

Six is great!

We had lots of embryos but still only had one transferred on day 2 at 4-cells (now my DS). If can happen!