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to report this...concerned about a child

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lorneylou · 12/07/2014 22:39

I have never posted on this board before but really need some opinions, I've been thinking about this for a few days and really don't know what to do. (Could be long)
Have been in my current house for just over a year and there is a young mum who lives a few doors up (guessing about 20ish). She has a lovely DD who I think is about 2.5 and we used to see them very rarely. Any time I pass her, I always say hello and my DD says hello to hers, sometimes she answers sometimes she doesn't.

Recently, I have been passing her in the mornings when I'm putting my DD in the car to go to pre-school and shes normally going in or out of the house and I have noticed that her house is a bit of a state inside, papers lying on the floor, having to shove the door to get inside etc etc.
A few days ago, I passed her when she was going into her house, she had her DD on the back of her bike and was trying to get the door open, I walked past just as she did and the stench that came out was absolutely overwhelming! As she was trying to push the bike inside I saw what her house was really like inside, no carpets, no furniture, floors and walls absolutely filthy and covered in what looked like mud. Stuff lying everywhere, wires, cups, clothes and as far as I could see, she didn't even have anything to sit on. There literally was no space to walk on the floor.

I was horrified to be honest and it just broke my heart to think of her taking her little girl into the house.

I don't know anything about this mum and her DD apart from what other neighbours have mentioned but I am really concerned about them both living in that house.

There have been a few more things that have made me wonder....
A few weeks ago I was taking DD to pre-school and could clearly hear the child sreaming, really wailing from inside the house (windows open, curtains closed as usual). Her mum was screaming 'SIT DOWN' over and over again which was making her scream even louder. I took DD to school, came back about 30 mins later and it was still going on.

There seem to be two people who visit this mum regularly, considered by the neighbours to be her mum and grandmother. They seem to come and pick them both up and go out for the day. I have observed the DD standing on the footpath outside her house completley naked, not even a nappy or pants on while the visitors look in the boot of the car for clothes for the DD. I have also heard them banging on her front door for a good half hour while the DD cries until she answers the door.

Her direct neighbours mentioned to me that they were concerned for a while because the little girl cried all night for weeks on end but it has stopped now.

I must say, I feel awful for posting this and I feel so nosey for having watched them for the past few weeks but something just doesn't seem right. I haven't mentioned any of my concerns to anyone else on the street or tried to get more information as there is a lot of gossiping that goes on.

The way that I see it I have 3 options:

I can just mind my own business and stop being so nosey

I can try and strike up a conversation, maybe invite her and her DD over and try to be friendly and see if theres anything I can do to help. She seems to be a very private person though but she does look like she isn't taking care of herself either, she always seems really flustered when I speak to her

I can report this to someone because I am concerned about them both.

What would you do in this situation? My gut says I have to do something.

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LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance · 12/07/2014 22:41

I would ring the NSPCC anonymously and ask their advice.

wheresthelight · 12/07/2014 22:42

report it - it may be nothing in which case no harm done or it could be something serious in which case neglecting it will only cause more harm

Loopylala7 · 12/07/2014 22:43

It does sound bad. I think you should report, but to who? I don't really know?

Littlefish · 12/07/2014 22:43

I agree. Call the NSPCC. The mother sounds like she needs some support with some fairly serious issues.

WannabeMrsJoshHomme · 12/07/2014 22:43

argh I would report and I am not one to say that lightly, having been reported numerous times by ex-MIL... it sounds a horrid situation.

allisgood1 · 12/07/2014 22:45

This threads always turn into a bun fight.

I'm not exactly sure what I would do but I definitely would NOT ignore what I see and hear.

DumDumDeeDay · 12/07/2014 22:46

Report I would say you can phone your local councils social work out of hours department I'm sure. Or as others have said nspcc.

sound's a dreadful situation and conditions the wee ones in Sad

LEMmingaround · 12/07/2014 22:47

Report her but maybe try to befriend her and offer support as well. She sounds like she is struggling

Loletta · 12/07/2014 22:48

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WannabeMrsJoshHomme · 12/07/2014 22:49

agree with loletta sounds as though she needs practical help as much as anything.

mindthegap79 · 12/07/2014 22:51

Report it to the NSPCC. From what you've said she clearly needs help and so does her poor little dd. Calling is anonymous and certainly won't do any harm. If you don't, that little girl's potential suffering could continue for a very long time.

JammieMummy · 12/07/2014 22:51

I would also report this, it is a terrible situation to be in but think of it this way if nothing is wrong they will investigate, find everything in order and that will be it. If something is wrong something needs to be done.

It is a tough thing to do but it is the right thing. Good luck

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 12/07/2014 22:52

Child safety is everyones responsabilty.

If the house is messy, fair do. When I was a child, our house was really untidy, it wore me down.
But a stench that is overwhelming from outside , the 30+ minutes screaming at my the mother ,different kettle of fish.

You wonder what her Mother/Grandmother are doing, maybe they cannot. Maybe she won't let them.
Outside help is needed.
Make the call OP.

NSPCC
Social Services
Health Visitor
Police if you think she's in danger

ThatBloodyWoman · 12/07/2014 22:52

I would report it.

That poor woman could be in a really bad place, emotionally, financially, health wise, and perhaps your intervention could get her the help she and her little girl deserve.

starlight1234 · 12/07/2014 22:52

yes report it.
You can contact the duty desk at ss. they will take all the information you know.

I would sooner report than leave it till it gets worse. Any reports build up a picture of what is going on for this child

SiennaBlake · 12/07/2014 22:54

It's better to report something and there to be no problem than not to report something and find there really was a problem.

AgentZigzag · 12/07/2014 22:54

You're not being nosey to have concerns about how a child's being treated, it is your business if the little girl is being neglected in the way you describe.

It's good if the mum has family going round to keep track of how things are going, but then they might be less inclined to ask SS for help if they feel they'd be betraying their relative.

The problem is that you've only had a very small glimpse into her life, children cry all the time for all sorts of things, and take their clothes off at the drop of a hat, a messy house isn't a problem, but it stinking to high heaven might point to there being other problems.

Why do you think your neighbours listened to her crying all night for weeks on end? If they suspected there was a serious problem they would have said something surely?

You don't know the woman so there wouldn't be any come back on you if you did report what you've seen. I think I probably would if I genuinely thought it added up to neglect, but thinking that and doing it are two different things, nobody wants to focus SS attention on anyone when there's a risk they're wrong.

Can you live with yourself if anything was seriously wrong and you said nothing? Don't you owe it to the little girl to at least try to help her out?

weatherall · 12/07/2014 22:54

It sounds like she could benefit for extra support- like a grant to sort the house. Social work could help with this so I'd see contacting them as helping her not 'reporting' her.

But do try to be her friendly neighbour too. Invite them over for a play date. Get to know her. She sounds quite isolated and probably depressed.

lorneylou · 12/07/2014 22:58

Thats the problem...I don't want to cause any trouble for her but the living conditions are definately not suitable for a child.
I don't know why I'm saying this because I don't know her at all but she seems 'nice'. She's on her own with her DD and my first thought is that she is struggling. I know she doesn't work so probably has little money.

The thing that I can't get my head around though is that she does hove people who visit and there is no way that they haven't seen the state of the house! Why haven't they helped????

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LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance · 12/07/2014 22:58

I'd view discussing it with an outside agency as a supportive measure. You're not coming across as a busybody OP and the family sound as if they could do with support.

MildDrPepperAddiction · 12/07/2014 23:00

Report it. It's the only way to ensure that little girl gets help.

SiennaBlake · 12/07/2014 23:00

This thread will drag on for a million pages but the answer of the majority will still be the same. Do it sooner rather than later.

Dinosaursdontgrowontrees · 12/07/2014 23:01

This doesn't sound right. Please report this to someone! (Not sure who though.. Social services???) This sort of thing breaks my heart. If there is nothing wrong they will investigate and find nothing is wrong and everything will be fine. You have nothing to loose here.
Please keep us posted op.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance · 12/07/2014 23:01

'nice' people can struggle for all kinds of reasons.

Sometimes it takes someone outside the family to get a perspective on things. Just as an example, it can take a friend to tell you to get to the doctor's because you might have PND when your family are just busy trying to be kind. Smile

SquigglySquid · 12/07/2014 23:03

She could be a hoarder if she's having a hard time getting inside due to clutter. It's a serious condition that needs outside help.

Definitely report it.

She needs help and so does her DD.

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